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10-22-2007, 09:27 PM | #1 |
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For those of us who dont want ZTP, please help!
It seems that I am not the only one who isnt getting this package.
I dont want i Drive. I dont want Nav. I dont want EDC (I think). I dont want CA..... BUT I want M Drive, and I know I cant get it without the ZTP option. Correct me if I am wrong, but in order to get all the M Drive stuff, I will have to pay about $4200. And after paying all this money, all I will likely do is set all the controls to the most extreme and NEVER touch it again. This makes me mad to pay all the money for this! If I dont get ZTP or EDC, it is my understanding that the only things I can control are the Throttle mapping, and DSC, and even with these there are fewer choices versus having ZTP. Correct? This is no different than my E46 M3. So...What is critical to me (and others) is: Are the dampers AND steering set at to the firmest in the non ZTP cars. Also will I miss the Sport plus on the throttle ( I always use the sport button) and the M Dynamic mode (I dont track the car) Or... will I be forced the pay for the ZTP--AAAArgh! Thank you so much! Dan |
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10-22-2007, 10:36 PM | #3 |
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Yes, there are several people here who share your frustration. My hope is that, as member mkoesel has mentioned elsewhere, there will be some kind of aftermarket software upgrade that will enable the "locked" functionality. This reminds me of playing computer games in HS. What a joke BMW!
That said, I doubt that the locked MDrive functions will take too much away from the driving experience. |
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10-23-2007, 01:31 AM | #5 |
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Agree, some people need to learn to accept change. iDrive is the perfect option to configure all the options. They used it because it simply made sense.
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10-23-2007, 01:54 AM | #6 | |
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Just a random hodge-podge and BMW maximizing profits for options that a lot of folks do not want. For example why pay thousands for Nav when PocketPC Nav systems are better than in dash systems? I really enjoy the same Nav interface when traveling and renting cars as when in my own car. What a waste I will be forced into... |
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10-23-2007, 07:06 AM | #8 |
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Does anyone have a picture of how that would look, please?
We don't have the option to remove iDrive/MDrive and SatNav here in the U.K. I really wish they had an alternative. I hate SatNavs anyway and the iDrive type of interface is something that will really date the car and hence cause it to age more rapidly. |
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10-23-2007, 08:08 AM | #9 |
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What are you talking about exactly? That's not how it comes in Germany. Why should it come that way in the US? Have you seen the German options list? Because of people like you who are willing to take anything BMW decides to push our way, the US market has become what it is, and we are forced to make choices that don't make sense. I guess it is not BMW's fault actually; US consumers do not seem to have the patience or whatever it takes to go through an options list and decide for themselves, or they have the tendency to puchase cars off the lot or something like that...
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10-23-2007, 08:23 AM | #10 |
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My gripe is that Comfort Access is now a $6000 option as Technic pointed out in the other thread. This, even though its a seperate option on every other BMW. No way in hell I am paying that, so it looks like I will be going without CA. I will probably just stop using CA on my wifes car as well now. As it is, I find myself grabbing the handle of my M3 sometimes when I get in it after I've been driving her car. It will only be worse once we both have a blue E9x. I wish BMW would just let me order it seperately. Why BMW USA, why?
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10-23-2007, 08:31 AM | #11 |
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Why is everyone complaining about this when we don't even know the real price yet? That's like griping over MSRP based solely on estimates...
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10-23-2007, 08:46 AM | #12 |
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I don't need pricing to know that I dislike the look of the navigation hump, and that I will never ever use navigation in Boston.
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10-23-2007, 09:06 AM | #13 |
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I think its safe to say the real price of ZTP + premium sound with be well north of the typical $500 Comfort Access price.
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10-23-2007, 10:32 AM | #14 | |
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I am afraid that I can not answer your questions directly, but I can give you my experience from 1300 km in my Car. Please note that I am still running it in and besides a testdrive @ Nürburgring I have not yet tested the limits. Besides steering ratio, the steering feels much lighter when not in sport mode. I hope for your sake that it is in "sports" mode because I never use it in Normal mode. I would gladly live with the nav just to get this option. Then again, I don't understand the dislike for the "NavHump". When it comes to suspension my opinion on EDC is that I would order it again. I find that I use Normal mode for most of my driving, comfort mode is nice to have when you need to crawl around on very bad roads, but is too soft for active driving. Sport on the other hand is not always a good choice, unless you drive on good roads. During the briefing at Nürburgring the M-representative mentioned that Sport and Normal was a bit misleading. The thing is that when in Normal mode the EDC is actually very active and monitors the car all the time, when you turn hard the suspension will be firmer to counter the body roll you can feel when turning slowly. At the same time it also does a good job of swallowing the bumps in the road which again gives you better traction through turns. This is also my experience from very twisty Norwegian back roads - which are not always in a good condition. It is rumored that the M3's best time on Nürburgring was in Normal mode, I can actually believe that rumor based on my experience. I guess what I am saying is that firm is not always better, and that you should considder where you are driving before you opt for EDC or not. Sport is still preferable in better conditions. Throttle response: Sport and Sport Plus. Which one you would prefer is very individual. Find a dealer car and play around with it. I think the steering feel is a much more important factor than sport plus. DSC: M-Drive Mode. Do you drive with DSC off? Then I guess M-Drive is not important. If you like to drive actively - and want to keep the DSC on - go for M-Drive. It is much less intrusive than regular DSC and will allow you to loose traction in wet conditions. Just my .02 kr.
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Actually, strictly speaking, I don't think all that stuff is even part of MDrive. I think MDrive is merely the ability to store and recall your settings via a single button. Thus, even without MDrive-proper, you'd still need IDrive if you want to access all of the car's features. Quote:
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It's interesting to see how preferences change and vary. Personally, on my 06 330i, I don't have NAV because I didn't like the nav hump on the dash...but now, I think it completes the dash so that when my M3 arrives it will have the nav hump.
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Yeah, that's interesting and funny.
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I am still one of those who enthusiasts who will skip this package altogether. Chances are that I will opt for an aftermarket suspension anyway (...as I've done in the past). Also, the new ///M is bound to handle better than the E46 ///M, and I was satisfied w/ that car in stock form, so I see no reason why I wouldn't be satisfied w/ the incoming car minus EDC, etc. I will opt for Nav/IDrive though. |
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You guys pay ALOT more because you get a smaller percentage of the M3s that are produced, and that also affords you the right to personalize your car more to your liking than we can here. We dont have nearly as many options available to us in The USA, and we will never be able to take advantage of BMW Individual either |
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10-23-2007, 01:51 PM | #21 | |
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I decided to contact BMW USA about this (Comfort Access). Here is what they had to say:
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