Rear Wheel Steering

stealth.pilot · 06-12-2013, 11:49 PM

As many of you know - the number one item on my list for improvement of the M5 has been active rear wheel steering. Now Porsche has taken it to their top models, I don't think BMW has any excuses. The absence of active roll control and active rear steering are weird omissions given both are in the BMW arsenal for non M vehicles. The system worked extremely well on my 2012 Dinan 550i.

The GTR has it. The 911 Turbo has it. The 550i has it as an option. The old 850CSI had it. Even the Lexus GS and the Infiniti M56 have it.

Now the 911 GT3 has it.

http://drive.jalopnik.com/this-is-wh...-gt3-512926880

URBAN LEGEND · 06-12-2013, 11:56 PM

I announce that the 14 GT3 will be one of the all time greats. Fact.

Rob///M5 · 06-13-2013, 12:27 AM

Can't wait for this to arrive in Guards Red

py0413 · 06-13-2013, 12:38 AM

time to submit order for a Basalt black!

uhn2000 · 06-13-2013, 06:19 AM

I am in line but going to probably withdraw until I get a test drive. Porsche is going to do well with this new GT3; still surprised they have not offered a MT.

M54ccibo · 06-13-2013, 10:19 AM

Oh my...got to have that car.

URBAN LEGEND · 06-13-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by uhn2000

I am in line but going to probably withdraw until I get a test drive. Porsche is going to do well with this new GT3; still surprised they have not offered a MT.

BMW is next. Americans are the only ones that want manuals. Manual days are almost over.

richard in NC · 06-13-2013, 11:10 AM

IMHO, the main point of rear wheel steering is to counter oversteer at high speeds. I had it in a '91 3000GT VR-4. BMW uses DSC and individual breaking to do the same. No need for RWS. Plus it is counter to M philosophy of the rear wheel drive feel. Whereas its more needed in the tail happy 911 to keep the avg driver safe.

VintageFerrari · 06-13-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

The GTR has it.

FYI, the Nissan R35 GT-R does NOT have rear wheel steering.

stealth.pilot · 06-13-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by richard in NC

IMHO, the main point of rear wheel steering is to counter oversteer at high speeds. I had it in a '91 3000GT VR-4. BMW uses DSC and individual breaking to do the same. No need for RWS. Plus it is counter to M philosophy of the rear wheel drive feel. Whereas its more needed in the tail happy 911 to keep the avg driver safe.

In the video Chris Harris was talking about how it counters understeer in tight corners. This is the same benefit I found on the 550i that I used to have.

At higher speeds, the front and rear wheels move in the same direction so it enhances stability when making rapid lane changes at highway speeds.

On the M5 the understeer is less than on the 550i due to the larger tires, but it is still there. ARWS would help.

Vic55 · 06-13-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by VintageFerrari

FYI, the Nissan R35 GT-R does NOT have rear wheel steering.

you beat me too it---- my 2009 didnt and none of the subsequent variants as well.

And my 996TT and 997.1 and 997.2TT Turbos didnt.. the new one which is a 991TT will.

uhn2000 · 06-13-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

BMW is next. Americans are the only ones that want manuals. Manual days are almost over.

Yes I know and get it; it is what it is. I will still try and have atleast one MT in my stable at all times. I can't say I get the itch to drive stick like I use to but its nice to have the option. I will be the 1st to admit that the new Dual Clutch trannys are amazing! I want to make sure to get a 7MT 911 to add to my garage at some point in the next couple of years. Only issue right now is garage/driveway space. Wife is already freaking that my M5 has to be parked outside "Robbers will see it". I asked her to put her Cayenne outside but she quickly declined that idea!

Bokke · 06-13-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob///M5

Can't wait for this to arrive in Guards Red

Carmine Red

Hunter5179 · 06-13-2013, 04:23 PM

I loved active roll stabilization on my 550. Accompanied with my ACS springs my car was planted. Very little body roll. My buddies 550 without ARS but with the same springs felt like the titanic. Thankfully I didn't exclude that option when I ordered.. I would have been bummed out big time.

UniqueCheese · 06-13-2013, 04:26 PM

GT3 with something that weighs it down? Interesting...

Rob///M5 · 06-13-2013, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bokke

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob///M5

Can't wait for this to arrive in Guards Red

Carmine Red

Dude!!! I was planning the exact same thing. Crazy. I think carmine looks more modern. Guards has a lot of orange in it. But 5500 for a slight color variation kinda sucks.

Good taste

Rohardi · 06-13-2013, 04:53 PM

I need a GR3 in a BAD way!

URBAN LEGEND · 06-13-2013, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohardi

I need a GR3 in a BAD way!

Bring 140k.

Rohardi · 06-13-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

Bring 140k.

Oh I know.... One day...

URBAN LEGEND · 06-13-2013, 05:09 PM

The car is stunning. I've been watching for it for a while.
What's this thread about again?

Rohardi · 06-13-2013, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

The car is stunning. I've been watching for it for a while.
What's this thread about again?

You're right, the GT3 is truly stunning!

Hothonda · 06-13-2013, 05:38 PM

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