08' DCT vs 11' DCT

[LSUbimmer]

I checked the search and couldnt quite find an answer to this....

Besides the nav what are the major differences if any bt a 08' and 11' DCT M3?

Most people claim that the 2011' is up to .5 quicker in the 1/4 mile then the 1st DCT M3's in 2008??
Is this correct bc both share the same engine and same tranny correct?

If the older M3 is just as fast then i'll probably get an older M3. If the newer ones are in fact that much quicker than i'll pay more and get a newer one.



Also not to beat a dead horse but the comp pkg seems like a must have if I get a newer M3 any other "must have" pkgs that you all didnt want to do without? Thanks

[Stealth ///M]

Originally Posted by LSUbimmer

I checked the search and couldnt quite find an answer to this....

Besides the nav what are the major differences if any bt a 08' and 11' DCT M3?

Most people claim that the 2011' is up to .5 quicker in the 1/4 mile then the 1st DCT M3's in 2008??
Is this correct bc both share the same engine and same tranny correct?

If the older M3 is just as fast then i'll probably get an older M3. If the newer ones are in fact that much quicker than i'll pay more and get a newer one.



Also not to beat a dead horse but the comp pkg seems like a must have if I get a newer M3 any other "must have" pkgs that you all didnt want to do without? Thanks

Even if there is a .5 second difference, that doesn't qualify as "much quicker". If you're planning on tracking, get the cheaper one.

[LSUbimmer]

Originally Posted by Stealth ///M

Even if there is a .5 second difference, that doesn't qualify as "much quicker". If you're planning on tracking, get the cheaper one.

Im def not a drag racer but .5 thru the 1/4 is pretty significant I guess my real question is what makes the newer M3 so much faster?? Is it just a better DCT?

[Stealth ///M]

Originally Posted by LSUbimmer

Im def not a drag racer but .5 thru the 1/4 is pretty significant I guess my real question is what makes the newer M3 so much faster?? Is it just a better DCT?

Show me, documented proof, that a an MY11 DCT is faster than a MY08 DCT. Not that I don't believe you, I just really wana see it for myself.

[LSUbimmer]

Originally Posted by Stealth ///M

Show me, documented proof, that a an MY11 DCT is faster than a MY08 DCT. Not that I don't believe you, I just really wana see it for myself.

You all are the experts im new to the M3 crowd thats why im asking.
But.....

Recent testing by Car and Driver magazine has shown that the 2011 M3 equipped with an M-DCT transmission accelerated from 0–60 mph in 3.9 seconds and went on to record a 12.4 second quarter mile time.[30] This is almost half a second quicker than 2008–2010 M3 models with the same engine and transmission. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3

I know thats magazine times and I know its wiki thats why im asking you all on here is there really that much of a noticeable difference?

[LSUbimmer]

Here is the exact link, again, I now mag times but still...

http://archive.caranddriver.com/var/...af8a28559a.pdf

[dmz]

Maybe the newer car had the Competition package?

Originally Posted by LSUbimmer

Im def not a drag racer but .5 thru the 1/4 is pretty significant I guess my real question is what makes the newer M3 so much faster?? Is it just a better DCT?

[italyix]

Maybe because the '11 has the revised software and the '08 does not? Could be...

[LSUbimmer]

Originally Posted by dmz

Maybe the newer car had the Competition package?

Does the comp package help that much?? Isnt it suspension and tires and thats it?

[ssabripo]

has nothing to do with "newer" DCT or anything. Mechanically they are identical, with the likelihood of the "newer" car having a later flash of the ECU and DCT, thus enhancing the times.

As an example(on my part), the latest ECU flash (231E) which has a companion DCT program, is supposed to have a better and more responsive throttle and smoother yet quicker shifts.... and if so, that could easily account for the 0.5 difference.

[pedrobot]

Originally Posted by ssabripo

has nothing to do with "newer" DCT or anything. Mechanically they are identical, with the likelihood of the "newer" car having a later flash of the ECU and DCT, thus enhancing the times.

As an example(on my part), the latest ECU flash (231E) which has a companion DCT program, is supposed to have a better and more responsive throttle and smoother yet quicker shifts.... and if so, that could easily account for the 0.5 difference.

or the '11 test driver was 100#'s lighter.

[smmmurf]

surface, conditions, gas, miles on the car, 11 air filter doesn't have charcoal filters like 08 does... (5hp)

[LSUbimmer]

Originally Posted by ssabripo

has nothing to do with "newer" DCT or anything. Mechanically they are identical, with the likelihood of the "newer" car having a later flash of the ECU and DCT, thus enhancing the times.

As an example(on my part), the latest ECU flash (231E) which has a companion DCT program, is supposed to have a better and more responsive throttle and smoother yet quicker shifts.... and if so, that could easily account for the 0.5 difference.

Interesting...

when did this (231E) flash take place? ie 2010, 2011 models?

[Mahzari]

The only difference between DCT from 2008 and 2011 is software.

When it comes to magazine tests, you have to keep some factors in mind:

-ecu/tcu software
-surface
-temperature
-humidity
-altitude
-tires
-tire pressure
-amount of runs
-skill of driver
-rollout (or not)

[LSUbimmer]

So basically there is not much different at all (noticeable or not) bt an 2008 M3 or an 2011 M3 other than newer software.

That makes me want to get an older model then.

Any most have trim packages? Comp, tech, luxury pgk?

[LSUbimmer]

Originally Posted by Mahzari

The only difference between DCT from 2008 and 2011 is software.

When it comes to magazine tests, you have to keep some factors in mind:

-ecu/tcu software
-surface
-temperature
-humidity
-altitude
-tires
-tire pressure
-amount of runs
-skill of driver
-rollout (or not)

im aware of that. thats why i stated numerous times that it was just mag times.
With that being said nobody on here once said the newer model M was def faster so again that makes me feel bettter at getting say a 2010M3.

[Mahzari]

Originally Posted by LSUbimmer

im aware of that. thats why i stated numerous times that it was just mag times.
With that being said nobody on here once said the newer model M was def faster so again that makes me feel bettter at getting say a 2010M3.

Don't doubt the placebo effect: if it makes you think it's faster, then that's enough.

In all honesty, the software on a 2008 M3 can be updated to the identical software brand new 2012s and 2013s come with. Then again, if you test drive an 08 and 10, the 10 will likely feel better because the engine will have less miles, the suspension will be newer, etc. etc.

But, to answer your original question, there is no hardware DCT differences between any of the model years.

[LSUbimmer]

Originally Posted by Mahzari

Don't doubt the placebo effect: if it makes you think it's faster, then that's enough.

In all honesty, the software on a 2008 M3 can be updated to the identical software brand new 2012s and 2013s come with. Then again, if you test drive an 08 and 10, the 10 will likely feel better because the engine will have less miles, the suspension will be newer, etc. etc.

But, to answer your original question, there is no hardware DCT differences between any of the model years.

yes thats very true. I see a fairly large difference in price bt model years so thats the basis for why im asking.

thanks

[KKM3]

My 11 felt much faster than my 08, though my 08 was a manual.

[LSUbimmer]

Originally Posted by KKM3

My 11 felt much faster than my 08, though my 08 was a manual.

Yeah I think the DCT is a good bit faster than the same year manual. It's the 08' DCT vs '11 DCT difference that seems just as huge.

[LSUbimmer]

Apparently I'm not the only one here to question this...

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=631270

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by Mahzari

The only difference between DCT from 2008 and 2011 is software.

When it comes to magazine tests, you have to keep some factors in mind:

-ecu/tcu software
-surface
-temperature
-humidity
-altitude
-tires
-tire pressure
-amount of runs
-skill of driver
-rollout (or not)

Most car mags times are corrected to sea level, 29.92 inHg, 59°F.