Has M dropped the ball?

888 · 03-22-2007, 08:57 AM

Based on engine info and spec, I’m starting to get very nervous about the power on the new M3. I was expecting something out of this world and not just another car to fill the gap between the 335 and M5. I currently drive an M5 and to be quite honest it is a lovely car but compromised. Just the other day I was given a massive lesson by a CLS 63 in a strait line and when we got to the corners he was even faster. I ordered the M3 because of what I was expecting now it looks like I might just have to stick to the M5. The M3 must not just be better than the RS4 it MUST be much better with no debate, that’s what we waited for and expect! Is it possible that M have panicked and dropped the ball because of the RS4?? I hope BMW reads these comments, it took the "others" for ever to catch-up to the E46 now it looks like BMW is playing catch-up. Is it to soon to panic?

E90Fleet · 03-22-2007, 09:09 AM

M have always under-claimed its specs

Car will also be lightweight

I wouldnt worry about the RS4

brandonlowe · 03-22-2007, 09:16 AM

Unfortunately , overspeculating runs rampant on boards like this. I cannot wait to hear that engine wailing at 8000rpm +! Yeah, the torque is a little low, but you can't have high revs , high hp, and high torque in this price range.

mkoesel · 03-22-2007, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 888

Is it possible that M have panicked and dropped the ball because of the RS4??

Nope.

Last E92 M3 · 03-22-2007, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 888

Based on engine info and spec, I’m starting to get very nervous about the power on the new M3. I was expecting something out of this world and not just another car to fill the gap between the 335 and M5. I currently drive an M5 and to be quite honest it is a lovely car but compromised. Just the other day I was given a massive lesson by a CLS 63 in a strait line and when we got to the corners he was even faster. I ordered the M3 because of what I was expecting now it looks like I might just have to stick to the M5. The M3 must not just be better than the RS4 it MUST be much better with no debate, that’s what we waited for and expect! Is it possible that M have panicked and dropped the ball because of the RS4?? I hope BMW reads these comments, it took the "others" for ever to catch-up to the E46 now it looks like BMW is playing catch-up. Is it to soon to panic?

most likely underrated but we will see how it does with other cars.

bmwexecutive · 03-22-2007, 09:37 AM

Maybe BMW will drop a big suprise and the new M3 will weigh just 3,245 pounds and as a result it will blow away anything the RS4 can dish out. Hey, I can dream can't I?

KL2DC · 03-22-2007, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E90Fleet

M have always under-claimed its specs

Car will also be lightweight

I wouldnt worry about the RS4

I agree...we'll see

OT, Fleet haven't heard from you in a while...how have you been? I think we were sending out a search and rescue a while back

EnI · 03-22-2007, 09:49 AM

M cars have never been drag-kings (or queens

).

It's much more about M than drag-racing.

If you are buying M cars for pulling-off duels, you are buying in a wrong shop.

swamp2 · 03-22-2007, 10:03 AM

Folks, don't panic. All is well in M land. It is about power to weight ratio more so than power. This car is going to have about 10% better power to weight than the RS4. This plus way less drivetrain loss will give it the acceleration. The 400-500 lb less weight will do wonders for the handling compared to RS4. RELAX!

888 · 03-22-2007, 10:29 AM

I’m starting to get color back

. I love M and like a concerned parent I only want the best for M.

RandyB · 03-22-2007, 11:05 AM

Yeah, the ringtime is much more relevant. Was what that time again?

Just kidding. I'm really excited about this car.

888 · 03-22-2007, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyB

Yeah, the ringtime is much more relevant. Was what that time again?

Just kidding. I'm really excited about this car.

well picked up (I fixed the Freudian typo)

EnI · 03-22-2007, 12:35 PM

The most important thing at BMW - and even more at M - is driving experience.

And the acceleration time is only one part of this driving experience, yet not the most important one.

M cars are multi-dimensional cars, not just one-dimensional: the whole package counts.

John · 03-22-2007, 12:44 PM

nice to see you back fleet.

i agree with you, cause your just about always right

Mii · 03-22-2007, 01:23 PM

The engine info/spec pretty much on par with what have been rumored around the web, no big surprises. It is the entire M3 package that counts, wait until we drive one on the road before drawing conclusion.

bambam · 03-22-2007, 01:45 PM

numbers are as expected. I think weight savings are more than expected. This car will beat the RS4 and all other competitors no doubt in my mind.

T Bone · 03-22-2007, 01:46 PM

Rock the RS4.....

given the publish spec of the engine, it is going to cream the RS4 in straightline and around a race track....

This friggin Atmospheric engine has the same damn torque curve as a turbo motor....how damn impressive is that?

Assuming they get the gearing right (7 speed hint hint)....the new M3 will be even faster than the E39 M5 which is faster than the RS4....

No worries now.....on the motor side. worried about weight and tranny.

SpencerM3 · 03-22-2007, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E90Fleet

M have always under-claimed its specs

Car will also be lightweight

I wouldnt worry about the RS4

Agree. I wouldn't worry too much. Considering the competition that BMW has virtually created all by themseleves, there is NO WAY they will bring out a car that does not produce.

termigni · 03-22-2007, 02:04 PM

I'm just worried for the RS 4 owners who just spent 68k on those bad boys. in about a year when the new M3 goes on sale, i can see the used RS4 prices fall like rain and flood the used market for the poor boys like me.

Robert · 03-22-2007, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 888

Based on engine info and spec, I’m starting to get very nervous about the power on the new M3. I was expecting something out of this world and not just another car to fill the gap between the 335 and M5. I currently drive an M5 and to be quite honest it is a lovely car but compromised. Just the other day I was given a massive lesson by a CLS 63 in a strait line and when we got to the corners he was even faster. I ordered the M3 because of what I was expecting now it looks like I might just have to stick to the M5. The M3 must not just be better than the RS4 it MUST be much better with no debate, that’s what we waited for and expect! Is it possible that M have panicked and dropped the ball because of the RS4?? I hope BMW reads these comments, it took the "others" for ever to catch-up to the E46 now it looks like BMW is playing catch-up. Is it to soon to panic?

You have a CLS63 beat you in a twisty? I don't believe it.

Vegas335 · 03-22-2007, 04:04 PM

Any new stock AMG63 will most likely beat any new stock M car in a straight line with the amount of horsepower that they put down. I'm surpised about the twisties too though unless he tweaked his supsension.

SpencerM3 · 03-22-2007, 04:25 PM

The new 63 AMG's are pretty sweet, other than the SL though, those thinsg WEIGH A TON!

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888 I'm takin' the day off. 111 Rep 339 Posts Drives: M Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Has M dropped the ball? Based on engine info and spec, I’m starting to get very nervous about the power on the new M3. I was expecting something out of this world and not just another car to fill the gap between the 335 and M5. I currently drive an M5 and to be quite honest it is a lovely car but compromised. Just the other day I was given a massive lesson by a CLS 63 in a strait line and when we got to the corners he was even faster. I ordered the M3 because of what I was expecting now it looks like I might just have to stick to the M5. The M3 must not just be better than the RS4 it MUST be much better with no debate, that’s what we waited for and expect! Is it possible that M have panicked and dropped the ball because of the RS4?? I hope BMW reads these comments, it took the "others" for ever to catch-up to the E46 now it looks like BMW is playing catch-up. Is it to soon to panic?
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E90Fleet Lieutenant General 1312 Rep 10,185 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Africa iTrader: (0)	M have always under-claimed its specs Car will also be lightweight I wouldnt worry about the RS4 __________________ BMW if you are reading, I need a job, Please.
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brandonlowe Private 4 Rep 65 Posts Drives: 11 E92 M3 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Jackson, TN area iTrader: (1)	Unfortunately , overspeculating runs rampant on boards like this. I cannot wait to hear that engine wailing at 8000rpm +! Yeah, the torque is a little low, but you can't have high revs , high hp, and high torque in this price range.
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bmwexecutive Banned 241 Rep 2,453 Posts Drives: 2006 330i Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: East Coast iTrader: (4)	Maybe BMW will drop a big suprise and the new M3 will weigh just 3,245 pounds and as a result it will blow away anything the RS4 can dish out. Hey, I can dream can't I?
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EnI Secret Agent 97 Rep 496 Posts Drives: The Ultimate Joy Machine Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Planet BMW iTrader: (0)	M cars have never been drag-kings (or queens ). It's much more about M than drag-racing. If you are buying M cars for pulling-off duels, you are buying in a wrong shop.
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swamp2 Lieutenant General 611 Rep 10,407 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA iTrader: (3)	Power to weight! Folks, don't panic. All is well in M land. It is about power to weight ratio more so than power. This car is going to have about 10% better power to weight than the RS4. This plus way less drivetrain loss will give it the acceleration. The 400-500 lb less weight will do wonders for the handling compared to RS4. RELAX!
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888 I'm takin' the day off. 111 Rep 339 Posts Drives: M Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	I’m starting to get color back . I love M and like a concerned parent I only want the best for M. Last edited by 888; 03-22-2007 at 11:16 AM.. Reason: typo
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RandyB Lieutenant Colonel 20 Rep 1,504 Posts Drives: '03 330i, '09 M3 Coupe Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	Yeah, the ringtime is much more relevant. Was what that time again? Just kidding. I'm really excited about this car.
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EnI Secret Agent 97 Rep 496 Posts Drives: The Ultimate Joy Machine Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Planet BMW iTrader: (0)	The most important thing at BMW - and even more at M - is driving experience. And the acceleration time is only one part of this driving experience, yet not the most important one. M cars are multi-dimensional cars, not just one-dimensional: the whole package counts.
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Mii Lieutenant 393 Rep 487 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: US iTrader: (0)	The engine info/spec pretty much on par with what have been rumored around the web, no big surprises. It is the entire M3 package that counts, wait until we drive one on the road before drawing conclusion.
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bambam Enlisted Member 0 Rep 39 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: VA iTrader: (0)	numbers are as expected. I think weight savings are more than expected. This car will beat the RS4 and all other competitors no doubt in my mind.
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T Bone Brigadier General 534 Rep 4,021 Posts Drives: 2008 335xi Coupe Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The land where we kill baby seals iTrader: (0)	Rock the RS4..... given the publish spec of the engine, it is going to cream the RS4 in straightline and around a race track.... This friggin Atmospheric engine has the same damn torque curve as a turbo motor....how damn impressive is that? Assuming they get the gearing right (7 speed hint hint)....the new M3 will be even faster than the E39 M5 which is faster than the RS4.... No worries now.....on the motor side. worried about weight and tranny. __________________ "Aerodynamics are for people who cannot build engines"......Enzo Ferrari
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Vegas335 Private 0 Rep 88 Posts Drives: 335I Coupe MT Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Las Vegas iTrader: (0)	Any new stock AMG63 will most likely beat any new stock M car in a straight line with the amount of horsepower that they put down. I'm surpised about the twisties too though unless he tweaked his supsension.
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