Another Gintani Stage 2

[Sales@Gintani.com]

Here is a clip and dynograph of our customers car with our Gintani stage 2 SuperCharger kit.
Our S/C Stage 2 kit is set at 7psi, and is making amazing power. Pictures will be posted later on
Costumer is also running a full Gintani Race system with HFC.

[alpine335i]

[powertrip]

Awesome, crazy power on 91 octane . I love his choice of color combo for the manifold/intake.

[WCM3]

The carbon fiber under that hood is ridiculous! hah..sounds amazing too guys. Congrats!

[phusion974]

Great numbers!!!

This reminds me of the first time I saw Ryboy98's Gintani SC M3 on your dyno...Cant get over how amazing it sounds.

[m33]

Congrats , what happend to ryboy anyway???
Numbers look decent but why are they different from this one ??
What's different between the two kits ?

[Raz@Gintani]

Thanks for all the comments everyone! The costumer couldn't be any happier. Pictures will be posted tomorrow.

[saeedg48]

love the new colors - another epic win

[GOLFFRR]

win, keep it up guys!

[Eugene-TAIWAN]

Originally Posted by m33

Congrats , what happend to ryboy anyway???
Numbers look decent but why are they different from this one ??
What's different between the two kits ?

I was down in LA a couple of weeks ago for business and I was talking to Alex they where telling me they did some updates on their file to make better HP. I guess that was it. I think that was the main reason behind things.

Gintani is giving me more and more confidence! I think I might switch soon

[Sales@Evolve]

Raz,

what gear was that done in?

Kit looks good.

[Bob86GN]

Sweet!

[DublinM3]

Originally Posted by Eugene-TAIWAN

I was down in LA a couple of weeks ago for business and I was talking to Alex they where telling me they did some updates on their file to make better HP. I guess that was it. I think that was the main reason behind things.

Gintani is giving me more and more confidence! I think I might switch soon

So you are saying that a software update added 90+ HP to the kit ? DLSJ5's car made 470 whp on this same dyno with the stage 2+ 8.5 psi kit and water meth. I dont think a simple software update would push a 7 psi kit on pump gas 55 whp over a stage 2+ on the same dyno. Most likely the difference is due to different correction factors being used on these different dyno test sessions. The Dynodynamics can make high or low numbers based on corrections entered by the operator. My guess is whoever did these dynos ran different corrections, this is why it's best on Dynodynamics to always run the car in shootout mode or to display the corrections used.

Maybe Raz can explain the differences between the variations in DLSJ5's chart and this one as they dont seem to make sense considering they were on the same dyno .

[Eugene-TAIWAN]

Originally Posted by DublinM3

So you are saying that a software update added 90+ HP to the kit ? DLSJ5's car made 470 whp on this same dyno with the stage 2+ 8.5 psi kit and water meth. I dont think a simple software update would push a 7 psi kit on pump gas 55 whp over a stage 2+ on the same dyno. Most likely the difference is due to different correction factors being used on these different dyno test sessions. The Dynodynamics can make high or low numbers based on corrections entered by the operator. My guess is whoever did these dynos ran different corrections, this is why it's best on Dynodynamics to always run the car in shootout mode or to display the corrections used.

Maybe Raz can explain the differences between the variations in DLSJ5's chart and this one as they dont seem to make sense considering they were on the same dyno .

from what I know the DCT eats up about 2-3% of power.

this car from what I see is a 6MT

and when I was there they also told me about an updated intake system so maybe the also helps out too.

but I'm no expert I just read off different sites

[Cptn Mo 703]

Hey mate

[biglare]

I'm happy for the customer who has a lot of power.

Sorry for the , but just for comparison sake...

my ESS VT2-575 S/C was installed in October of 2009 and made 518whp on a MAHA dyno with 5.5psi in 90+degree temps with 91 octane and full dinan exhaust.

Here is my dyno graph from the initial install.

[Eugene-TAIWAN]

yep both the Gintani kit and ESS kit are top notch!

not doubt about that.

I just think sometimes dyno figures can mess with people judgement on things as cars can dyno out different from day to day.

I'm still down for mexico runs

[M3_WC]

I read it is using a different blower.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by biglare

I'm happy for the customer who has a lot of power.

Sorry for the , but just for comparison sake...

my ESS VT2-575 S/C was installed in October of 2009 and made 518whp on a MAHA dyno with 5.5psi in 90+degree temps with 91 octane and full dinan exhaust.

Here is my dyno graph from the initial install.

Solid #'s Lar for a Maha, but it appears VT575's make around 515+ on a Dyno Jet, basically the same, and the boost pressure is listed at 5.5 - 6psi, I think Mike hit 7psi with that setup, probably due to the cold air. I've seen a few VT600's on a DJ at around 525 - 540 whp, those are at 6.5 - 7.4psi.

DJ's are probably more accurate to compare with, but IMHO ESS kits are not consistent either with regards to comparing dyno's, even with equal boost some are making a lot more WHP than others, around 80+ in some instances, but the difference is the cars making more power are not US cars, but cars in Korea or one car in particular on ESS' dyno made 580whp SAE and 594whp STD at 7.5psi, I would say that is not reflective of other kits at similar boost levels, M33's at 7.4 psi made 511whp SAE and 526whp STD, that is a large gap and IMHO, it would be a stretch to say going catless alone will make up 70+whp. Per's car did not seem to be a real 580-594whp car based on his results at the M5board event, those were his words and others as well, although his car was still very fast, either way, dyno's DO NOT tell the whole story and they can vary quite a bit from car to car.

Having said that, I think Dublin and M33 do bring up some good points and fair questions about my dyno vs this new one, I understand the doubts and accusations, but they also need to apply those questions/doubts to other kits as well, not just the kits that (M33) may not be fond of. Jamie (M33), if this is such a concern to you, I think you and others need to ask yourself why your VT600 kit at 7.4psi only made 526whp and Per's kit with 7.6 psi made 590whp both on DJ's the standard, that is quite a difference seeing the boost pressure was roughly the same and both are 6MT, also that car in Korea made 604whp at 7psi with a custom exhaust? Again good / fair questions, but maybe you should apply them across the board. It looks like this thread has been cleaned up a bit, but it appears you're just trying to find anything you can to bring doubt or to bash these guys.

What has Gintani ever said or done to you personally? Have they ever attacked you or your kit? The results? I don't think they have, however I can't say the same about ESS, they have attacked my results and me personally. I'm sure they had their reasons for doing so, fair enough, I'm over it, all is forgotten, but everyone should just move on from this, the accusations, etc are just flat out childish and over the top, it appears a few of you relish in it. FWIW I love the ESS kit I think it's simple, well made, tuned, and the manifold is the best looking one out there and many people are very happy with their kit, I loved what AJ did for Mike and his car, as well as their new flash loader, great stuff, I would not hesitate to recommend it. I guess my question is why do you have such a beef with Gintani when they have done nothing to you?

About my results vs this one, again fair question, the consistent thing about Gintani's Dyno Dynamics is 3 Gintani cars that dynoed in the 500-525 range on their dyno all made 570-600+ whp on a DJ. Also look at the baseline in that dyno, that's a lot more power with the kit added and the curve is much better than my dyno, obviously like most tuners do they've improved the file. I can't speak for other kits but 3 other Gintani cars have shown that the 6MT can make as much as 20+whp over my DCT kit on both the DD's and DJ, running similar boost.

I did a whole writeup on this, my original Dyno's are flawed / inaccurate, the main reason was the original intake was insufficient while being static on a dyno, initially on a Dyno Jet, with 7.5 - 8psi I made a lackluster 515 whp, after the new intake and retune and one additional psi, I made 570+ whp, quite a difference, but that was before that DD's dyno.

When I dynoed 471whp with the new intake on Gintani's dyno this was without a retune, the car was only retuned after the MS109 was put in the tank, that is when I hit the 503 # at 7.5 - 8psi, honestly based on Vbox and comparo runs the car was not faster with race fuel, and when I dynoed on the DJ later, race fuel made roughly 6 more whp, Mikewads and PG have found this to be true with their testing as well on race fuel, maybe that has since changed, not sure.

It appears that the car needed a retune with the new intake regardless of the fuel, so that 471# was probably not reflective of how much power the kit was capable of on 91+meth, just as the intial DJ #'s were not an accurate reflection either, as later proven. The car still performed well though, even with those initial lackluster DJ #'s, the car pulled a C6 Z06, I can assure you, even with the insufficient intake, if my car was truly only making 471whp on Gintani's dyno or 515whp on a DJ, I would not pull a C6 Z06.

If you look at my initial flawed / lackluster dyno's, it appears Larry (Biglare) and others made roughly the same WHP as me or more with less boost, but Larry got pulled by a C6 Z06 with his VT600, but I pulled the exact same C6 Z06 even with the insufficient intake a 515whp DJ and 460whp DD's results, to be fair, I know with new tires Larry can do better though. Regardless so much for dyno results. With one additional psi, tune, and new intake, I ran even or pulled two heavily modded GTR's, ran very close to even with a HPF Stage 2.5, trapped 131MPH on 8psi in 80 degree weather, not too shabby.

After the DD's runs, it was retuned on 91+Meth before the 2nd set of DJ runs and it made quite a bit more power on the DJ 60+WHP, much more reflective of how the car was performing, so that's why it makes sense to me, as it was not retuned for the DD's run of 471. So this belief that some have stated inferring that ESS cars make more than others with less boost is only half true, as the US cars absolutely do not make more, I would say at the same boost levels they are probably close, it appears so far only cars outside of the US make much more. Hope that helps answer the questions about the differences in the two dyno's.

[m33]

Here's my dyno uncorrected ( on that day's current weather conditions )
And this is with my stock xpipe(93oct) in place at 6 to 6.5 psi pulley with a slight spike at the end of the rpm range( 100rpm span @ 8,300k rpm ) but it's peak whp was hit at 6.9lbs @ 8k rpm for arguments sake.
I'm currently uploading this from my iPhone when I get home I'll post up the 538ish whp dyno graph ( give or take a whp or two not sure of the exact figure but I know it's in the high 530ish whp range)
Which was done in the same day/dyno ( dynojet)

[chris s]

Jamie, where do you dyno around here?

[mkPOTO]

sounds insane and kinda like a vette