Thought the Benz was more expensive

[Deniz1210]

I was watching that top gear episode just now about the C 63 AMG and just realized how nice that car is. I mean no offense, M3 is an M3, but it looks too dull and classic, but oh boy the Benz screams I am BENZ! Anyways, nothing new, I mean I always knew that given that Mercedes is always more expensive - or so I thought. I went to mbusa.com, built a brand new AMG with all the options except the premium seat and the cost came down to somewhere around 72k MSRP. Compare that to my recent build of M3 (70k MSRP) with similar options, it's not really that high. Is there a catch or is M3 really overly priced? The car has 451 hp, an amazing 6.2 liter V8 engine with 440 lb of torque. It does 0-60 in almost 4 seconds and oh boy it looks so good (and it does come on now).

I know what you are gonna say, M3 has the best handling and the best engineering and the best track performance, and M3 is always an M3, but this is really the Benz we are talking about and it's so much faster than the M3, more luxurious, bigger (M3 back seat is a joke), everything is better in this car except maybe the suspension and the breaking, but guess what, if that's what you care, why not buy the EVO 10 or any one of those other rally cars?

Am I missing something?

[Crazy Bimmer]

Great thread. Will read again.

Why get the Benz if you want straight line speed. Get a Corvette.

Luxurious?

[Deniz1210]

Originally Posted by Crazy Bimmer

Great thread. Will read again.

Lol, come on, give me the benefit of the doubt. I am seriously wondering. It looks better (inside and outside), it is bigger, it is faster, it sounds better. The only real advantage of M3 I can see is its handling which shows itself in a track. I highly doubt an M3 can drive better in city/highway than the AMG. What do you guys think? Don't be sarcastic please

[xG35c]

You are RIGHT!
Objectively, the C63 is probably a superior car.
Subjectively, people pick what they want and many don't want the Mercedes "image" with their sports car!

[Leonardo629]

C63 = auto tranny = deal breaker for a lot of gear heads like us....

[e1000]

They're two different interpretations of a performance car. The C63 is definitely not your typical Benz. It's loud, and it definitely doesn't have a plush disconnected ride either. You should go drive one and understand. They are both very capable and very good cars. Also, you should look into the Performance Package Plus option on the C63, it adds a bit of HP by using some forged internals from the SLS AMG engine. The C63 is also detuned from the factory, lending itself well to a ECU tune.

Mercedes hasn't necessarily been more expensive compared to BMW for a while now. There are exceptions however, but this can be said of both sides.

[ybbiz34]

[DevJ]

This thread is stupid. Both cars are nice. It's all about person preference.

[DadzM4]

Benz automatic only

[Crazy Bimmer]

You stating all opinions when it coming to looks or exhaust sound.

As for size..

M3:
Front Head Room: 38.5 in. Front Shoulder Room: 55.4 in.
Rear Head Room: 37.5 in. Rear Shoulder Room: 55.1 in.
Front Leg Room: 41.5 in. Rear Leg Room: 34.6 in.
Luggage Capacity: 12 cu. ft. Maximum Cargo Capacity: 12 cu. ft.

C63
Front Head Room: 37.1 in. Front Hip Room: 52.3 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 54.7 in. Rear Head Room: 36.9 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 55.1 in. Rear Hip Room: 54.9 in.
Front Leg Room: 41.7 in. Rear Leg Room: 33.4 in.
Luggage Capacity: 12.4 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 5

I like the C63 btw. Its a great car but like someone mentioned it all depends what you want out of a car.

[M3 vert]

Originally Posted by Deniz1210

I was watching that top gear episode just now about the C 63 AMG and just realized how nice that car is. I mean no offense, M3 is an M3, but it looks too dull and classic, but oh boy the Benz screams I am BENZ! Anyways, nothing new, I mean I always knew that given that Mercedes is always more expensive - or so I thought. I went to mbusa.com, built a brand new AMG with all the options except the premium seat and the cost came down to somewhere around 72k MSRP. Compare that to my recent build of M3 (70k MSRP) with similar options, it's not really that high. Is there a catch or is M3 really overly priced? The car has 451 hp, an amazing 6.2 liter V8 engine with 440 lb of torque. It does 0-60 in almost 4 seconds and oh boy it looks so good (and it does come on now).

I know what you are gonna say, M3 has the best handling and the best engineering and the best track performance, and M3 is always an M3, but this is really the Benz we are talking about and it's so much more faster than the M3, more luxurious, bigger (M3 back seat is a joke), everything is better in this car except maybe the suspension and the breaking, but guess what, if that's what you care, why not buy the EVO 10 or any one of those other rally cars?

Am I missing something?

Did you have a look at some of the comparison tests?
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419708

Im sure you have, so drive them both (M3 + C63) and decide for yourself, as coming from a 335i you might like the torquey merc, both excellent cars IMO

[aajami]

Does MB offer an LSD for the C63 yet? My friend bought the first year model and it didn't have one, which made it less predictable off the line and during, ahem, "fun" turns.

Great car otherwise. But the lack of an LSD and that sloppy gearbox killed it for me.

[Mr Tonka]

There is nothing "Amazing" about a 6.2L making 451hp and 440tq.

But you're right about one thing. It does scream "i'm a benz!" just in the same way the majority of the people driving them scream "look at me!"

As others have said, slush box = fail.

[e1000]

Originally Posted by aajami

Does MB offer an LSD for the C63 yet? My friend bought the first year model and it didn't have one, which made it less predictable off the line and during, ahem, "fun" turns.

Great car otherwise. But the lack of an LSD and that sloppy gearbox killed it for me.

It's had an LSD option since 2009

[Deniz1210]

Originally Posted by M3 vert

Did you have a look at some of the comparison tests?
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419708

Im sure you have, so drive them both (M3 + C63) and decide for yourself, as coming from a 335i you might like the torquey merc, both excellent cars IMO

That test is biased. It doesn't make sense to me at all. It was either done by BMW fans or didn't involve any real world driving conditions i.e. highway/city driving. It's obvious an M3 will perform better with all the breaking/curb/handling/suspension tests, but like I said, so will an EVO 10 or an impreza WRC, why stop at M3? why not get those? The point is a luxurious, fast, modified by manufacturer regular sedans, not track cars. The same episode that showed AMG had the EVO 10. The guy driving it said he was able to enter a curve making something around 105 mph - 40 more than he was able to do in a F458. That EVO 10 they tested which was 360 hp is probably better than M3 will ever be in track, so why not get that instead?

I will probably end up buying the M3 when I do get to buy my next car don't get me wrong, because I am also very stubborn about the BMW, but the matter of the fact is, AMG is a better "daily driver". You remember how they ask "335 or M3" as daily driver? Ask the same question for AMG, I don't think any sane person will answer M3. There is nothing in M3 that makes it a better daily driver for an average driver. The looks, the brand, the luxury, the quality of interior, the engine, the power in straight line, everything is in AMG's favor.

M3 is an enthusiast's car, AMG on the other hand is a rich family man's car who just wants to start the car and go.

[e1000]

Originally Posted by Deniz1210

That test is biased. It doesn't make sense to me at all. It was either done by BMW fans or didn't involve any real world driving conditions i.e. highway/city driving. It's obvious an M3 will perform better with all the breaking/curb/handling/suspension tests, but like I said, so will an EVO 10 or an impreza WRC, why stop at M3? why not get those? The point is a luxurious, fast, modified by manufacturer regular sedans, not track cars.

I will probably end up buying the M3 when I do get to buy my next car don't get me wrong, because I am also very stubborn about the BMW, but the matter of the fact is, AMG is a better "daily driver". You remember how they ask "335 or M3" as daily driver? Ask the same question for M3, I don't think any sane person will answer M3. There is nothing in M3 that makes it a daily driver. The looks, the brand, the luxury, the quality of interior, the engine, the power in straight line, everything is in AMG's favor.

M3 is an enthusiast's car, AMG is on the other hand for a rich family man's car who just wants to start the car and go.

You should really evaluate these cars. Again, the C63 does NOT have a plush ride, especially if you add the Performance Package or Performance Package Plus. Also, while the M3 has better single stop braking performance, the C63 is no slouch with 6-piston fixed Brembo calipers and floating rotors up front and 4-piston brembos in the rear.

Interestingly, I prefer the interior of the M3. The Nappa leather is better than the Benz, and iDrive is superior to Command IMO, especially the iPod integration.

[warzilla]

Originally Posted by Deniz1210

Compare that to my recent build of M3 (70k MSRP) with similar options, it's not really that high. Is there a catch or is M3 really overly priced?

Wow.

You really really really really got to let go of this 'm3 overpriced/is it worth its price' exercise. Literally every post you make on this M3 forum is about how you justifying the purchase of your 335i or talking about the monetary value of the M3.

Just enjoy the 335i already. And not sure you know, but there is a forum for 335 owners, its called www.e90post.com. Its not bad, you're find lots of owners who will empathize with your views there.

[Deniz1210]

Originally Posted by warzilla

Wow.

You really really really really got to let go of this 'm3 overpriced/is it worth its price' exercise. Literally every post you make on this M3 forum is about how you justifying the purchase of your 335i or talking about the monetary value of the M3.

Just enjoy the 335i already. And not sure you know, but there is a forum for 335 owners, its called www.e90post.com. Its not bad, you're find lots of owners who will empathize with your views there.

I love my 335 and it's amazingly high (<-look how in bold I typed) low end torque.

My next car will be the M3, I am just waiting for the 2012 production to begin so that I can get the extra features or whatever power increase they will include. I'm just asking for people's opinion here, nothing to be offended about.

If I had an M3, I'd never spend a night sitting in front of my computer writing in a car forum!!!!

We are all friends here, no need to be aggressive

[Serious]

I can't tell if this guy is trolling or just doesn't have a clue...

An evo X is not as fast as an m3, nor is it nearly as nice... it's not even a debate, they aren't in the same class.

the c63 is a good car, but if you get your head out of magazines and actually drive them both back to back it's quickly apparent which is the better car.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Deniz1210

That test is biased. It doesn't make sense to me at all. It was either done by BMW fans or didn't involve any real world driving conditions i.e. highway/city driving. It's obvious an M3 will perform better with all the breaking/curb/handling/suspension tests, but like I said, so will an EVO 10 or an impreza WRC, why stop at M3? why not get those? The point is a luxurious, fast, modified by manufacturer regular sedans, not track cars. The same episode that showed AMG had the EVO 10. The guy driving it said he was able to enter a curve making something around 105 mph - 40 more than he was able to do in a F458. That EVO 10 they tested which was 360 hp is probably better than M3 will ever be in track, so why not get that instead?

I will probably end up buying the M3 when I do get to buy my next car don't get me wrong, because I am also very stubborn about the BMW, but the matter of the fact is, AMG is a better "daily driver". You remember how they ask "335 or M3" as daily driver? Ask the same question for M3, I don't think any sane person will answer M3. There is nothing in M3 that makes it a daily driver. The looks, the brand, the luxury, the quality of interior, the engine, the power in straight line, everything is in AMG's favor.

M3 is an enthusiast's car, AMG is on the other hand for a rich family man's car who just wants to start the car and go.

I think your only purpose on this site is to stir up shit.

Have you EVER driven a C63 AMG? Have you ever driven an M3? I can say yes to both. First, the M3, IMO, has the better interior. The AMG is plastic everywhere. The C63 interior is NOT like other Mercs. As to "brand", my take on Mercedes is you buy one just before you buy a coffin. Luxury? See my comments on interior... same deal. The C class are NOT the luxury cars the other Mercs are.

The ONE advantage of the Merc is straight line speed. You say that the M3 is only for a track, right? Well, the ONLY way you experience the difference in straight line performance of the AMG vs M3 is on a track or before going to jail if one a public road. The AMG is MUCH harder to control the power. Most inexperienced drivers cannot put the power down without traction nannies cutting you off... AKA wasted power for a lot of applications.

As to the reviews being biased, almost ALL of the comparison tests favour the M3 and not one has said that it was only because it is the better track car. Calling bias is bullshit and just an excuse for those who don't like the results. Seems to me that if someone thinks a magazine is "biased" it would be towards the larger company (Mercedes) who can throw the biggest dollars around.

Lastly, for DD duties, whoever thinks the M3 isn't a great daily driver doesn't own one. It has WAY more power than needed on public streets at all speeds. Period. Many reviews comment on the dual nature of the car... docile and comfortable around town and a monster on the track or when driving aggressively.

So... stop stirring up crap. Stop justifying your 335 purchase. Stop trying to convince yourself the M3 is the lesser car to a 335 or C63.

P.S. The C63 AMG is a great car but your comments relative to the M3 are just wrong.

Note to self... stop feeding trolls... I can't believe I wasted the 5 min of my life actually responding to this...

[sor]

Guys I was watching TV and saw this commercial it really suprised me but I thought it was good. You need to check this out its called a Taurus SHO and it is really fast I mean excellent value dont get me wrong I love the M3 as much as the next guy but for the money this is insane and a much better value. I mean who would spend 100% more on an M3 for less performance and bumpier ride? Come on you guys know I'm kidding I would kill for an M3 but you gotta admit that car is badass and cheaper.

[IbanezGod]

Go drive both and come back and post Your experience instead of thoughts. I did that and ended up with the M3. I'm a power nut but many things about the Benz wasn't right.