I finally got someone challenging me to a race

[skierman64]

I've heard a million stories on here where M3 drivers are getting challenge to race. I finally got challenged the other day by two guys on liter sportbikes. They rode beside me for a mile or two looking over and trying to egg me on. Like I'm that dumb. After a while they bolted off ahead of me.

Funny thing was, I was heading to a military evasive driving course. What a great time that was. Spinning out other cars and playing cops and robbers.

[JCtx]

Glad you didn't play along with those punks (for their own safety), but I'm sure you know you'd have been left for dead, right? Take care.

[M3luvr]

I also got my first challenge just the other day-a Dodge SRT. The car pulls up next to me, honks his horn trying to race me. I just ignored him, and he zooms past me then started to weave around the traffic. I was ready to exit the freeway and I'm not that stupid to try to race with him. I've got nothing to gain by racing him. I figured if I want to race, I'll take my car to the track.

[m5sparky]

yeah you would get burned most likely , although on my old e46 m3 with 100 shot nos and full exhaust and chip mods, i was smoking the 600cc sport bikes, but not anything beyond that.

[quality_sound]

I'm pretty sure his reason for not racing had nothing to do with whether or not he'd lose. Jeez

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by elp_jc

Glad you didn't play along with those punks (for their own safety), but I'm sure you know you'd have been left for dead, right? Take care.

Originally Posted by quality_sound

I'm pretty sure his reason for not racing had nothing to do with whether or not he'd lose. Jeez

Oh yeah, I know I can't compete with a vehicle that has 4lbs per hp or so. I didn't race them because A, it's stupid and dangerous on a public highway and B there's no way I'd even come close to winning and C why, I have nothing to prove.

I save my speed for the track. Well, most of the time.

[94JZA80]

Originally Posted by m3sparky

yeah you would get burned most likely , although on my old e46 m3 with 100 shot nos and full exhaust and chip mods, i was smoking the 600cc sport bikes, but not anything beyond that.

just out of curiosity, what kind of power were you making that would allow you to "smoke" 600cc sport bikes? and what speeds did those particular races start and stop at?

if i had to guess based on what you stated so far, i'd start at ~270whp (approx. the average dyno for a stock e46 M3), plus a 100-shot is another ~100whp, plus another 30whp from exhaust and chip (a generous gain, but believable nontheless), for a roundabout figure of ~400whp...am i close?

[Nawaaz]

^ Nice Supra!

[m5sparky]

Originally Posted by 94JZA80

just out of curiosity, what kind of power were you making that would allow you to "smoke" 600cc sport bikes? and what speeds did those particular races start and stop at?

if i had to guess based on what you stated so far, i'd start at ~270whp (approx. the average dyno for a stock e46 M3), plus a 100-shot is another ~100whp, plus another 30whp from exhaust and chip (a generous gain, but believable nontheless), for a roundabout figure of ~400whp...am i close?

your on the money, thats what i had calculated it to be around there, i was runring catless headers also, i never dynoed it becasue no one around here said they can do, the speeds were always off the roll from 1st or 2nd up to 120 or so.

[M3ltdown]

Whoever was riding those 600cc sportibikes must've been pansies...unless they were 600cc from the 90's. Plus it also depends on what RPM the riders were at. I've beaten a viper with my old 600rr.

Back on topic... i haven't been challenged on my e90, probably because most people dont realize it's an M. But I have been challenged by Corvettes and Porsches on my 1000RR sportibike... makes me laugh everytime they disappear in the mirror.

[94JZA80]

Originally Posted by darwin316

Whoever was riding those 600cc sportibikes must've been pansies...unless they were 600cc from the 90's. Plus it also depends on what RPM the riders were at. I've beaten a viper with my old 600rr.

Back on topic... i haven't been challenged on my e90, probably because most people dont realize it's an M. But I have been challenged by Corvettes and Porsches on my 1000RR sportibike... makes me laugh everytime they disappear in the mirror.

that's exactly the point i was going to try and make - though i was still contemplating how to say it without stepping on any toes when you posted up.

basically, it takes a good 550-600whp in a 3400-lb. car to dispense of any modern 600cc sport bike, in the "get smoked" sense anyways. m3sparky - i'm similar in weight and power output to your e46 M3, and while i have beaten modern 600cc sport bikes in the past, i know that a majority of those races were won b/c the rider made a mistake, or just didn't have the balls/skill to extract 100% of the bike's performance (at least for the races that didn't take place on the highway at triple-digit speeds). i'll give 2 good examples of wins i've had against modern 600cc sport bikes. the first one was against a fairly new and very well-ridden GSXR600, and that was a 90-150mph highway roll which i only won by 3-4 carlengths...but i by no means "smoked" the bike.

the other race was against a fairly new ZX6R from 20-90mph, during which i pulled approx. 1-1.5 carlengths. i've also raced my buddy's '06 GSXR600 from 20-80mph and he pulled the pants off me, which obviously puts things into perspective. i.e., the guy/gal on the ZX6R that i raced must have been a mediocre rider at best, or else he would have pulled me good below 100mph just like my buddy did on his stock GSXR600. now this doesn't really surprise me b/c 9 out of 10 riders on the street are mediocre at best. hence the reason it seems like 600cc bikes are easier to take down than they actually are - b/c most riders can't ride to the bike's full potential.

all that being said, i'm certainly not trying to deflate an ego here. rather i'm trying to justify how you smoked 600cc sport bikes at your current power and weight levels. but since a majority of riders are mediocre as far as riders go, and b/c anything can happen on the street, i'm not at all surprised that you beat some bikes (or at the very least their riders), and that right there is justification enough. i just don't want you to be under the false impression that us ~400whp guys can just run around picking on every 600cc bike in sight and expect to win all that often. and if we CAN win fairly often, that speaks volumes about rider skill (as opposed to telling us something about the capabilities of the bike itself).


OP, i don't know what kind of power the S65 is capable of when supercharged, but i imagine that would put you in 600cc sport bike territory. you'd certainly beat some of them due to rider skill (or lack thereof). get aggressive with the boost and tuning and i'm sure you'd beat alot of them.


LOL, sorry for the long-winded post guys...

[M3ltdown]

yeah...whenever a modern sportbike loses to a car nowadays, it's either rider error (newbie or poseur), or the car has gobs of HP.

Plus it takes skills to launch a bike from a complete stop... and some roll-ons are not performed at the correct RPM for the fastest acceleration.

In other words... there are a lot of poseurs riding bikes nowadays... just check their rear tires for chicken strips

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by darwin316

... just check their rear tires for chicken strips

Not everyone lives in an area where they can find some curves to carve. When I lived in the Black Hills we routinely hit the curveys, but when I lived in OK and IL, there just wasn't much available.

BTW, is NOVA = Villanova or North VA?

[M3ltdown]

it's northern virginia... have to ride out west to the mountains to get some decent roads. Other than that, the 20mph on/off ramps are fun at 80mph leaned over

[FStop7]

Originally Posted by m3sparky

yeah you would get burned most likely , although on my old e46 m3 with 100 shot nos and full exhaust and chip mods, i was smoking the 600cc sport bikes, but not anything beyond that.

600cc sport bikes run 10 second 1/4 mile times, exactly how were you smoking them you say?

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by FStop7

600cc sport bikes run 10 second 1/4 mile times, exactly how were you smoking them you say?

As previously discussed, it takes a skilled or at least semi-skilled rider to be fast and get good 1/4 mile times. There are a lot of poseurs out there.

[m5sparky]

all the 600 cc bikes i ran with were 05gsxr, and a couple honda cbr600 , if they were pro they would obv have beaten me, we ran off the roll to make it easier for them, but still would end up taking them by a car lengh or two, these bike do low to mid 11s stock quarter mile stock. my best time with street tires was 12.1 quarter mile on the m3. its still fun beating posers

[94JZA80]

Originally Posted by m3sparky

all the 600 cc bikes i ran with were 05gsxr, and a couple honda cbr600 , if they were pro they would obv have beaten me, we ran off the roll to make it easier for them, but still would end up taking them by a car lengh or two, these bike do low to mid 11s stock quarter mile stock. my best time with street tires was 12.1 quarter mile on the m3. its still fun beating posers

well now that clears up some things...usually when someone says they "smoked" something, they're implying more than a carlength or two...especially from 1st or 2nd gear up to ~120mph. i know enough to know when i beat the bike and when i beat the rider, and it appears you do to...and i'm with you - it still feels damn good to win, even if i only beat the rider.