2015 M4 Police Chase - Cedar Rapids, IA

[Theodore]

Thought this would be worth sharing:

The best part is what the guy says to the cops after he's in handcuffs.

[M3Bimmer77]

Cops are lucky the guy is alive. Shooting for speeding!!!!wow another misused weapon by our police super trained guys!!!! Incredible!!!!!

[Keca10]

Sorry but when you decide to take the cops on a car chase it's no longer "speeding".
Also not speeding when you crash your car after that chase and try to speed away as police officers are getting out of their car.

I dislike how cops in America sometimes seem to use their guns in situations where they can avoid killing the perp. but in this case I am not surprised.
He is damn lucky he's not dead.

[oolas3]

They have the guy's plate number on video so why endanger the general public over this? Just go to the guy's house later and arrest him then.

[elim11]

Originally Posted by m3m3mr

They have the guy's plate number on video so why endanger the general public over this? Just go to the guy's house later and arrest him then.

That's not how it works... My guess is that its a DUI, etc. If they just let him off, he could have endangered innocent people "on his way home".

[ec_E92]

Old news...
http://www.kwwl.com/story/28655736/2...olved-shooting

[Gossypiboma]

Originally Posted by M3Bimmer77

Cops are lucky the guy is alive. Shooting for speeding!!!!wow another misused weapon by our police super trained guys!!!! Incredible!!!!!

Simple speeding? Are you serious? He drove straight at the cops, shooting him is easily justifiable.

[oolas3]

Originally Posted by elim11

That's not how it works... My guess is that its a DUI, etc. If they just let him off, he could have endangered innocent people "on his way home".

That's how it should work and some cities do have no chase policies. The initial stop attempt was for speeding and not a DUI.

[Rajmun340]

Originally Posted by m3m3mr

That's how it should work and some cities do have no chase policies. The initial stop attempt was for speeding and not a DUI.

+1

These cops are dangerous and this reflects on a society that has its values in the wrong places. Apparently police academies training produces cops like this. If so this is an institutional problem that reflects on the society's values as a whole.
"he didn't do anything besides speeding, failure to maintain control and driving the wrong way down a road. They didn't charge him afterwards hoping they won't get their asses sued for trying to kill someone who had, to their knowledge at the time, done nothing wrong but speed a little and drive the wrong way down a street. . Just another case of paranoid cops trying to kill someone rather than find out if he was guilty of anything."

He was shot 3 times and they fired total 12 rounds aimed at killing him. That's dangerous people that should not wear a badge.

[roastbeef]

the guy is speeding, blows at least one stop sign, then drives at the cops after crashing trying to get away. and some how its the police's fault when they use deadly force to defend themselves against deadly force? stupidity.

[Haywood]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

the guy is speeding, blows at least one stop sign, then drives at the cops after crashing trying to get away. and some how its the police's fault when they use deadly force to defend themselves against deadly force? stupidity.

I don't see it that way at all. Listen, I'm pro-cop, but these guys lives were never in danger. If the driver tried to run them over, then I can understand that, but it doesn't appear that way. He was driving away to the right and the cops came from the left. He was trying to get away. How about shooting his tires out first? Why shoot into the car? That's fucked up IMO.

[Gossypiboma]

Originally Posted by Haywood

I don't see it that way at all. Listen, I'm pro-cop, but these guys lives were never in danger. If the driver tried to run them over, then I can understand that, but it doesn't appear that way. He was driving away to the right and the cops came from the left. He was trying to get away. How about shooting his tires out first? Why shoot into the car? That's fucked up IMO.

Supposedly there were cops to the left of the video car that he tried to run over, outside of the footage. That makes sense considering there were 3 shooting officers. One who likely got out of the video car later in the path of the M4 and that fact you only see one officer shooting on camera.

Highly likely the M4 tried to run over other officers, that justifies deadly force.

[Haywood]

Originally Posted by BigBoosting

Supposedly there were cops to the left of the video car that he tried to run over, outside of the footage.

Then I would change my opinion. Like I said, I'm just going by what's on the video. I only see one cop shooting. Even the guy asked which ONE of you was shooting. It appeared to me that he was just trying to get away. I could be wrong. The guy is a totally dip shit, but unless the cops lives or the lives of others at the immediate time were in danger, I don't see why they couldn't have just shot out his tires. If the guy died, do you think it's justified for speeding?

[Gossypiboma]

Originally Posted by Haywood

Then I would change my opinion. Like I said, I'm just going by what's on the video. I only see one cop shooting. Even the guy asked which ONE of you was shooting. It appeared to me that he was just trying to get away. I could be wrong. The guy is a totally dip shit, but unless the cops lives or the lives of others at the immediate time were in danger, I don't see why they couldn't have just shot out his tires. If the guy died, do you think it's justified for speeding?

Shooting out tires doesn't stop a car from running you over.

Of course not. But they didn't shoot him for speeding. He was shot for driving directly at 2 other officers. What he was initially pulled over for is irrelevant after the later fact.

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by Haywood

I don't see it that way at all. Listen, I'm pro-cop, but these guys lives were never in danger. If the driver tried to run them over, then I can understand that, but it doesn't appear that way. He was driving away to the right and the cops came from the left. He was trying to get away. How about shooting his tires out first? Why shoot into the car? That's fucked up IMO.

this is a big problem with dash cams and body worn cameras- they don't capture everything. they are merely a low resolution tunnel-vision snippet from a single point of view.

i'd speculate the officer was likely getting out of his vehicle at the time the m4 started driving towards him. the officer that comes from the right was likely a second officer.
bullets don't stop a car from coming, so the officer still has to get out of the way, but i don't expect an officer to have to continually play "ring around the rosy" trying not to get hit if the guy misses and throws it in reverse.
its pretty easy not to get shot- how about not driving at cops?

he was likely released pending further investigation. doesn't mean he can't be charged with anything. if they aren't charging him with anything simply because he got shot, that's a spineless justice system.

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by m3m3mr

They have the guy's plate number on video so why endanger the general public over this? Just go to the guy's house later and arrest him then.

obviously you have no idea how it works. license plates (if there is one) only show registered owner's info. person driving is not always the registered owner. there are a variety of other reasons why your reasoning is asinine, but i don't feel like typing that much.

[Flying Ace]

I will be attending this police auction.

[Helmsman]

The fact that they didn't charge him clearly state they didn't have a case and in my mind confirmed he didn't try to run them over. We have seen the police being quite innovative to tweak history their way which they apparently not even tried.
In my book its plain crazy to let guys like these through the academy and to the street. Nutters that does nothing but ruin the force' reputation on hurt people on their way to it.

[Haywood]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

I will be attending this police auction.

You'll get street cred if you leave the bullet holes intact.

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by Helmsman

The fact that they didn't charge him clearly state they didn't have a case and in my mind confirmed he didn't try to run them over. We have seen the police being quite innovative to tweak history their way which they apparently not even tried.
In my book its plain crazy to let guys like these through the academy and to the street. Nutters that does nothing but ruin the force' reputation on hurt people on their way to it.

not always. probably released from custody pending further investigation so they didn't have to babysit him at the hospital. he could still be charged with a crime at a later date. whether or not they do it, i don't know.

[Haywood]

Originally Posted by Helmsman

The fact that they didn't charge him clearly state they didn't have a case and in my mind confirmed he didn't try to run them over. We have seen the police being quite innovative to tweak history their way which they apparently not even tried.
In my book its plain crazy to let guys like these through the academy and to the street. Nutters that does nothing but ruin the force' reputation on hurt people on their way to it.

Wait? Do we know this yet? I'm not sure if I missed that.

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

I will be attending this police auction.

you don't want this m4... rear tires have chronic problems with rear tire pressure to the tune of being 1.5 psi off. some hop curbs because of it and this one backed into a pole.