Crap. M4 or 911s cab

mgcyr · 10-23-2015, 02:13 PM

I know this has been done to death but I wanted to share my story anyway. I've wanted a 911 for as long as I can remember, and it seems that whenever it's time to buy a new car, I just can't seem to pull the trigger.

Well this time, I'd finally reconciled it with myself to trade in my 2011 M3 cab for a 2013 C2S cab. It was a done deal, I just had to get myself to Toronto to pick it up.

Well, in the meantime, my M3 had an engine failure and I had to bring it into the dealership for service. While there, I was looking at the M4 and was approached by my salesman. We agreed to take a quick spin (which was awesome fun) which was followed up with pricing discussions, mainly what my trade in was worth.

Well, to my suprise, they are prepeared to give me $5,000 more that Porsche. That combined with the fact that the M4 would be about $20,000 less than the C2s to start, makes for an almost $30,000 difference when taxes are taken into consideration.

Don't get me wrong, this is not intended to stir up a debate about which car is better, because they are both amazing. It's just that it has made me question the Porsche. I may have to put the brakes on that and suffer with a new M4 cab delivered to me in the spring.

By the way, I should mention that I paid $43,800 for the M3 in OCtober 2013, and was offered $42,000 on trade today. Effectively, it cost me $75 per month to drive for 2 years. Great deal.

Cwong889 · 10-23-2015, 02:37 PM

Why don't you go test out the Porsche and compare

X2Board · 10-23-2015, 02:51 PM

If that trade is legit, and you're getting a good price on the new M4, forget the Porsche!

secretariat · 10-23-2015, 02:53 PM

$42,000.00 for an 2011 M3. Is that really what dealers trade in value is. That seems high getting that from a dealer. Good for you.

mgcyr · 10-23-2015, 02:56 PM

Keep in mind that it's in Canadian dollars.

911Driver · 10-23-2015, 03:07 PM

I've owned seven 911's (most recently two 991 "S" models). I most recently left a 2015 911S for my M4.

The 911 to me is like a F-22 raptor fighter jet. Totally precise, quick, tight. Very small / no room for others, not much trunk storage. So don't expect to take these on a vacation unless you are trailering it. Fun to drive skillfully.

The M4 is more like an A-10 Warthog. Bad to the bone, mean, with eyes and teeth painted on the nose. More like if Germans made muscle cars. You can travel with 4 people and luggage and take it on vacation. You can lay down the seat and put an 88 key keyboard in it...

I'm really enjoying the M4 more than I did my last two 911's. Because for daily driving you can still chirp the tires, drift a little on a highway exit ramp, and personally I get a LOT more looks in my M4 than I did in the 911.

You'll have to decide for yourself, but they are so different.. One is small, quick, precise. The other one is bigger and badder to the bone mean.

If it was just for the track or a second car, the 911 wins. For everyday living for me--- the M4 wins.

YMMV.

ASAP · 10-23-2015, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.Ho

I've owned seven 911's (most recently two 991 "S" models). I most recently left a 2015 911S for my M4.

The 911 to me is like a F-22 raptor fighter jet. Totally precise, quick, tight. Very small / no room for others, not much trunk storage. So don't expect to take these on a vacation unless you are trailering it. Fun to drive skillfully.

The M4 is more like an A-10 Warthog. Bad to the bone, mean, with eyes and teeth painted on the nose. More like if Germans made muscle cars. You can travel with 4 people and luggage and take it on vacation. You can lay down the seat and put an 88 key keyboard in it...

I'm really enjoying the M4 more than I did my last two 911's. Because for daily driving you can still chirp the tires, drift a little on a highway exit ramp, and personally I get a LOT more looks in my M4 than I did in the 911.

You'll have to decide for yourself, but they are so different.. One is small, quick, precise. The other one is bigger and badder to the bone mean.

If it was just for the track, the 911 wins. For everyday living for me--- the M4 wins.

YMMV.

Wouldn't the M4 be the SR71? lol

zer0cool · 10-23-2015, 03:21 PM

If I got such a good trade-in deal, I would get the M4.

However for you the decision appears emotional. After you get the M4, you ll still want the 911... I am certain, I know the feeling. You ll be thinking of 911, searching on web for pricing, frequently... then you ll trade you M4 a couple years from now... when you ll take a bigger loss...

Therefore, I say get the 911 since that's what you say you have always wanted...

Will you be OK with getting an NA 911 when the turbos are on their way? If you think you ll again want a 2016 one with turbo engines in say 2018, then maybe get the M4 now?

Palomequet · 10-23-2015, 03:32 PM

Get the brand new M4 and get a toy with the 30k left.

E92LNGCGY · 10-23-2015, 03:33 PM

It sounds like the M4 you are getting is a good deal. Yes Porsche always cost more than BMW, let's face it the Porsche badge is why it cost so much. Not sure what your needs are but the M4 is a much better daily driver compared to 911. I too consider a Porsche (although a Cayman) but at the end I got the M4 because the car is fantastic. Nothing wrong with the Cayman but it was more of an emotional thing.

However I still want a Porsche and I will probably get it as my next car. There is something about a Porsche that is different.

x.shell · 10-23-2015, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASAP

Wouldn't the M4 be the SR71? lol

Not to get all nerdy on you but... The blackbird was anything but an all-around-well-rounded-aircraft. It was a fast, high flying reconnaissance aircraft. That's it.

s0ul · 10-23-2015, 03:37 PM

///M POWAAAH!

I'm not a big fan of the cab but if otherwise. I'd go for the 911. Personally it depends on your usage. Personally I'd love to own a 911 but for my daily commute. I settled with the M4 because of practicality.

I plan to get a 911 Turbo S as a second car.

ASAP · 10-23-2015, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ex o

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASAP

Wouldn't the M4 be the SR71? lol

Not to get all nerdy on you but... The blackbird was anything but an all-around-well-rounded-aircraft. It was a fast, high flying reconnaissance aircraft. That's it.

I think the point is thatnit wasnt nearly as maneuverable as says an F22 (the 911) but a butload faster.

911Driver · 10-23-2015, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASAP

Wouldn't the M4 be the SR71? lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by ex o

Not to get all nerdy on you but... The blackbird was anything but an all-around-well-rounded-aircraft. It was a fast, high flying reconnaissance aircraft. That's it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASAP

I think the point is thatnit wasnt nearly as maneuverable as says an F22 (the 911) but a butload faster.

haha! I just think of A-10 Warthogs as meaner ! I mean look at the thing! And the paddle shifters on the DCT are the Gattling guns!

mgcyr · 10-23-2015, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.Ho

I've owned seven 911's (most recently two 991 "S" models). I most recently left a 2015 911S for my M4.

The 911 to me is like a F-22 raptor fighter jet. Totally precise, quick, tight. Very small / no room for others, not much trunk storage. So don't expect to take these on a vacation unless you are trailering it. Fun to drive skillfully.

The M4 is more like an A-10 Warthog. Bad to the bone, mean, with eyes and teeth painted on the nose. More like if Germans made muscle cars. You can travel with 4 people and luggage and take it on vacation. You can lay down the seat and put an 88 key keyboard in it...

I'm really enjoying the M4 more than I did my last two 911's. Because for daily driving you can still chirp the tires, drift a little on a highway exit ramp, and personally I get a LOT more looks in my M4 than I did in the 911.

You'll have to decide for yourself, but they are so different.. One is small, quick, precise. The other one is bigger and badder to the bone mean.

If it was just for the track or a second car, the 911 wins. For everyday living for me--- the M4 wins.

YMMV.

I agree. That's what I saying to my wife. Out of 2 impractical choices, the M4 seems to be less impractical.

BwoodBMW · 10-23-2015, 04:52 PM

Having had a few bmws and a few porsches (in the family, not mine) I'll chime in here. If there is an emotional thing for the porsche and you aren't passionate about the M4 just get the P-car. There really is something different about them that you won't find in the BMW. And the 991 is especially good. The M is going to give you everything you want from a performance and usability standpoint and for me it solves the passion issue too, M cars have always been a fascination of mine.

s0ul · 10-23-2015, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgcyr

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.Ho

I've owned seven 911's (most recently two 991 "S" models). I most recently left a 2015 911S for my M4.

The 911 to me is like a F-22 raptor fighter jet. Totally precise, quick, tight. Very small / no room for others, not much trunk storage. So don't expect to take these on a vacation unless you are trailering it. Fun to drive skillfully.

The M4 is more like an A-10 Warthog. Bad to the bone, mean, with eyes and teeth painted on the nose. More like if Germans made muscle cars. You can travel with 4 people and luggage and take it on vacation. You can lay down the seat and put an 88 key keyboard in it...

I'm really enjoying the M4 more than I did my last two 911's. Because for daily driving you can still chirp the tires, drift a little on a highway exit ramp, and personally I get a LOT more looks in my M4 than I did in the 911.

You'll have to decide for yourself, but they are so different.. One is small, quick, precise. The other one is bigger and badder to the bone mean.

If it was just for the track or a second car, the 911 wins. For everyday living for me--- the M4 wins.

YMMV.

I agree. That's what I saying to my wife. Out of 2 impractical choices, the M4 seems to be less impractical.

Fuck you mean. The M4 is a practical car.

Bimmer6 · 10-23-2015, 05:10 PM

The M4 is a much better DD, and if you need the room the M4 is perfect. If you're going to the track Porsche hands down a ton of fun and predictable steering. I got the M4 for the power and I wanted a nice convertible vs the M6 is a boat. Good luck.

Arcades · 10-23-2015, 05:24 PM

I don't own a 911 but I'll chip in mainly because my cousin, who lives 2 streets down from me, owns a 911 GT3 RS.

I... very VERY rarely see him drive it. Like near to no time I ever see him drive it. I know he does but it's mainly to places that are literally just in the city. Cafe's mainly to hang out.

Now my M4 isn't my daily but I know it can easily be. That's the difference between the two. 911 isn't made for usual daily driving unless you honestly don't care. (Which my cousin and I are hyper anal about keeping our cars pristine)

M4 is WAY more practical then the 911. That is a huge given and isn't really even a question.

Bimmer6 · 10-23-2015, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arcades

I don't own a 911 but I'll chip in mainly because my cousin, who lives 2 streets down from me, owns a 911 GT3 RS.

I... very VERY rarely see him drive it. Like near to no time I ever see him drive it. I know he does but it's mainly to places that are literally just in the city. Cafe's mainly to hang out.

Now my M4 isn't my daily but I know it can easily be. That's the difference between the two. 911 isn't made for usual daily driving unless you honestly don't care. (Which my cousin and I are hyper anal about keeping our cars pristine)

M4 is WAY more practical then the 911. That is a huge given and isn't really even a question.

911 can be a DD if you don't need a back seat. But clearly a RS of GT3 is for the track, and not a fun DD it's a street legal race car basically. My GT3 has 3000 miles on it in one year, and if not the track I will go on a mountain run with the boys. It's actually the best car I have owned. I see why your cousin doesn't take it out much I'm sure he has other cars.

Devilzmantis · 10-23-2015, 05:39 PM

Get the M4. the 997 is old power/old tech. I had the 997 while its a fun car it is more comparable to the 2011 M3. I traded the 997 in for the M4 vert and still kept my 2011 M3.

M4 all the way.

Arcades · 10-23-2015, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

911 can be a DD if you don't need a back seat. But clearly a RS of GT3 is for the track, and not a fun DD it's a street legal race car basically. My GT3 has 3000 miles on it in one year, and if not the track I will go on a mountain run with the boys. It's actually the best car I have owned. I see why your cousin doesn't take it out much I'm sure he has other cars.

Oh he does lol. That's his personal car, they have family ones.

10-23-2015, 02:13 PM	#1
mgcyr Second Lieutenant 106 Rep 288 Posts Drives: '19 GTS, ‘17 Cayenne Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Montreal iTrader: (0)	Crap. M4 or 911s cab I know this has been done to death but I wanted to share my story anyway. I've wanted a 911 for as long as I can remember, and it seems that whenever it's time to buy a new car, I just can't seem to pull the trigger. Well this time, I'd finally reconciled it with myself to trade in my 2011 M3 cab for a 2013 C2S cab. It was a done deal, I just had to get myself to Toronto to pick it up. Well, in the meantime, my M3 had an engine failure and I had to bring it into the dealership for service. While there, I was looking at the M4 and was approached by my salesman. We agreed to take a quick spin (which was awesome fun) which was followed up with pricing discussions, mainly what my trade in was worth. Well, to my suprise, they are prepeared to give me $5,000 more that Porsche. That combined with the fact that the M4 would be about $20,000 less than the C2s to start, makes for an almost $30,000 difference when taxes are taken into consideration. Don't get me wrong, this is not intended to stir up a debate about which car is better, because they are both amazing. It's just that it has made me question the Porsche. I may have to put the brakes on that and suffer with a new M4 cab delivered to me in the spring. By the way, I should mention that I paid $43,800 for the M3 in OCtober 2013, and was offered $42,000 on trade today. Effectively, it cost me $75 per month to drive for 2 years. Great deal.
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X2Board Lieutenant Colonel 444 Rep 1,643 Posts Drives: I'm back, bitches! '13 E92 ZCP Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Wake Forest, NC iTrader: (1)	If that trade is legit, and you're getting a good price on the new M4, forget the Porsche! __________________ 2013 Jerez Black/Black E92 ZCP DCT - I'm back!! 2014 Guards Red 991 C2S 7MT - Gone. 2015 YMB/SS F80 M3 6sp - Gone 2011 Sapphire Black/Black E70 X5 M - Gone. 2010 Jerez Black/Black E90 M3 DCT -Gone-
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secretariat Major 954 Rep 1,457 Posts Drives: 2016 X5M Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: New York iTrader: (0)	$42,000.00 for an 2011 M3. Is that really what dealers trade in value is. That seems high getting that from a dealer. Good for you.
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911Driver Car Junkie 29 Rep 78 Posts Drives: 2017 911 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Earth iTrader: (0)	I've owned seven 911's (most recently two 991 "S" models). I most recently left a 2015 911S for my M4. The 911 to me is like a F-22 raptor fighter jet. Totally precise, quick, tight. Very small / no room for others, not much trunk storage. So don't expect to take these on a vacation unless you are trailering it. Fun to drive skillfully. The M4 is more like an A-10 Warthog. Bad to the bone, mean, with eyes and teeth painted on the nose. More like if Germans made muscle cars. You can travel with 4 people and luggage and take it on vacation. You can lay down the seat and put an 88 key keyboard in it... I'm really enjoying the M4 more than I did my last two 911's. Because for daily driving you can still chirp the tires, drift a little on a highway exit ramp, and personally I get a LOT more looks in my M4 than I did in the 911. You'll have to decide for yourself, but they are so different.. One is small, quick, precise. The other one is bigger and badder to the bone mean. If it was just for the track or a second car, the 911 wins. For everyday living for me--- the M4 wins. YMMV.
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zer0cool First Lieutenant 104 Rep 300 Posts Drives: X3M Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: North Carolina iTrader: (0)	If I got such a good trade-in deal, I would get the M4. However for you the decision appears emotional. After you get the M4, you ll still want the 911... I am certain, I know the feeling. You ll be thinking of 911, searching on web for pricing, frequently... then you ll trade you M4 a couple years from now... when you ll take a bigger loss... Therefore, I say get the 911 since that's what you say you have always wanted... Will you be OK with getting an NA 911 when the turbos are on their way? If you think you ll again want a 2016 one with turbo engines in say 2018, then maybe get the M4 now?
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Palomequet Captain 159 Rep 841 Posts Drives: BMW F10 M5 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Abroad iTrader: (2) Garage List 2008 BMW M3 E92 [0.00] 2015 BMW M4 F82 [0.00] 2014 BMW 650i Cabrio [0.00] 2013 BMW M5 [6.00]	IMO Get the brand new M4 and get a toy with the 30k left.
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E92LNGCGY Lieutenant Colonel 439 Rep 1,732 Posts Drives: F97/Q5/982 GT4 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	It sounds like the M4 you are getting is a good deal. Yes Porsche always cost more than BMW, let's face it the Porsche badge is why it cost so much. Not sure what your needs are but the M4 is a much better daily driver compared to 911. I too consider a Porsche (although a Cayman) but at the end I got the M4 because the car is fantastic. Nothing wrong with the Cayman but it was more of an emotional thing. However I still want a Porsche and I will probably get it as my next car. There is something about a Porsche that is different.
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s0ul Coder 574 Rep 1,548 Posts Drives: '13 F30 328xi, '16 F82 (soon) Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: NoVA iTrader: (2)	///M POWAAAH! I'm not a big fan of the cab but if otherwise. I'd go for the 911. Personally it depends on your usage. Personally I'd love to own a 911 but for my daily commute. I settled with the M4 because of practicality. I plan to get a 911 Turbo S as a second car. __________________ 2016 ///M4: SO / SS — Lovin' it!
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BwoodBMW Colonel 1861 Rep 2,536 Posts Drives: EFFEIGHTY Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: LA LA land iTrader: (0)	Having had a few bmws and a few porsches (in the family, not mine) I'll chime in here. If there is an emotional thing for the porsche and you aren't passionate about the M4 just get the P-car. There really is something different about them that you won't find in the BMW. And the 991 is especially good. The M is going to give you everything you want from a performance and usability standpoint and for me it solves the passion issue too, M cars have always been a fascination of mine.
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Bimmer6 Colonel 633 Rep 2,253 Posts Drives: 458SPY, GT3RS on the way Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: ATL iTrader: (0)	The M4 is a much better DD, and if you need the room the M4 is perfect. If you're going to the track Porsche hands down a ton of fun and predictable steering. I got the M4 for the power and I wanted a nice convertible vs the M6 is a boat. Good luck.
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Devilzmantis Captain 407 Rep 732 Posts Drives: E92 M3, 991 Turbo S Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Oakland, Ca iTrader: (0)	Get the M4. the 997 is old power/old tech. I had the 997 while its a fun car it is more comparable to the 2011 M3. I traded the 997 in for the M4 vert and still kept my 2011 M3. M4 all the way.
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