BMW to Disclose about Damage Cars on Jersey City Ship

CivicCoupe06 · 02-05-2008, 03:37 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/au...in&oref=slogin

misterng · 02-05-2008, 03:42 PM

"BMW estimated that the retail value of the totaled cars was more than $6 million."

CivicCoupe06 · 02-05-2008, 03:44 PM

lol yea lots of MMMMMMM

Patricius · 02-05-2008, 04:25 PM

I recall reading somewhere that any damage of 3% or less does not need to be disclosed to the customer. So minor touch-up may have been done on many BMWs that are shipped out nationwide without any of us having a clue about it. Kind of scary!

nusevad · 02-05-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Patricius

I recall reading somewhere that any damage of 3% or less does not need to be disclosed to the customer. So minor touch-up may have been done on many BMWs that are shipped out nationwide without any of us having a clue about it. Kind of scary!

Im pretty sure any damaged car must be disclosed to the customer under a rule. There was a law suit against BMW many years back relating to this and the guy suing won millions.

Patricius · 02-05-2008, 04:31 PM

After a little digging, it appears that repairs up to $500 in value do not have to be disclosed. Also, the tools used to repair the issue are apparently capable of returning the car to factory specs and are widely trusted to do top notch work.

I agree that all damage should be disclosed, but there are certain things I wouldn't really care about if they could return it to factory specification easily (cracked headlamp housing, etc).

GregW / Oregon · 02-05-2008, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Patricius

I recall reading somewhere that any damage of 3% or less does not need to be disclosed to the customer. So minor touch-up may have been done on many BMWs that are shipped out nationwide without any of us having a clue about it. Kind of scary!

Before you take delivery request a full printout of the Vehicle Inquiry Report for your car. Any repairs, whether at the factory or VPC will be at least generically noted. For instance codes 170, 172, 174 & 176 indicate the car went in for some corrections after completing assembly but before being released for shipping. Shipping damage repaired at the VPC will also be noted.

lucid · 02-05-2008, 04:44 PM

Finally some numbers. The article says only 30 M3s were totaled. This is actually no big deal. We should be getting about 700 of these things a month in US. 30 lost demo cars should not delay the production of customers cars for more than a few days, maybe a week at this transitional phase of production. I think the significance of this news has been exaggerated.

911 Now · 02-05-2008, 06:39 PM

That really sucks though. I feel for those who's cars were on that ship. Hopefully the seas will be calmer when my car comes across next month.

lucid · 02-05-2008, 07:10 PM

Those cars did not belong to customers. They were to be used in demo events.

CivicCoupe06 · 02-05-2008, 08:23 PM

like the PHILLY AUTOSHOW!!!! lol

sayemthree · 02-05-2008, 09:02 PM

I would buy one! for 1/2 price.

GregW / Oregon · 02-05-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by lucid

Those cars did not belong to customers. They were to be used in demo events.

The M3s, yes--others were customer and dealer cars.

Patricius · 02-05-2008, 09:57 PM

Word from my friend who works at an Infiniti dealershipin NJ is that his contact who wholesales cars has been presented with the option to purchase these damaged/repaired M3s with salvage titles at a steep discount. Then again, he could just be blowing smoke.

mdrobc13 · 02-06-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Patricius

Word from my friend who works at an Infiniti dealershipin NJ is that his contact who wholesales cars has been presented with the option to purchase these damaged/repaired M3s with salvage titles at a steep discount. Then again, he could just be blowing smoke.

I'd make him my BEST friend....hell to get an 08 M3 albeit repaired at a discounted Salvage price may be well worth it don't cha think?

Patricius · 02-06-2008, 07:03 AM

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I'd make him my BEST friend....hell to get an 08 M3 albeit repaired at a discounted Salvage price may be well worth it don't cha think?

Until something happens to it and it costs you an arm and a leg to fix it. My guess is the salvaged ones will go cheaply, relatively speaking - but the risk you run is great. Not to mention you shoot yourself in the foot with respect to reselling the car in the future.

Champagne · 02-06-2008, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Patricius

Until something happens to it and it costs you an arm and a leg to fix it.

Or your life.

Patricius · 02-06-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Champagne

Or your life.

Wow man. That's deep

E90330iS · 02-06-2008, 12:29 PM

At least they are taking responsibility of this incident. Does anyone know if BMW will take up the damage bill or their insurance company? 6 followed by 6 more zeros makes a pretty big number.

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