Tuned F80 vs Dinan S3R E92 (On Drive+ by Matt Farah)

[Damasconian]

This is behind the VIMEO Drive+ paywall but I suggest you guys spend the $1 and watch Matt Farah compare a tuned F80 to a engine swapped E92. He makes some really great points about both cars and where the future of automobiles is headed. Ill do my best to summarize, most of my comments are taken verbatim from the video. I tried to lay out what he says with no personal opinion:

-Starts by saying the internet is a place for complaining "and porn". When a new M3 comes out, BMW fans complain. Then two years later they realize what a great car it is. 5 years after that the process repeats.

-He commented on where the future of tuning is going. With the E92, a full engine swap is needed to really change the dynamics of a car. With the F80, a computer does the work.

-The F80 tested (ceramics + 6-MT) is faster, roomier & more efficient than the car it replaces and just as much fun to drive, especially with the stick.

-The Dinan had a full engine swap with a 4.6 liter 525 hp stroker motor ($25K upgrade). F82 had a Dinan computer tune that added 75 hp (no cost details given)

-F82 Could be a tuners dream car because of the ease in increasing the HP.

-He thinks F80 came from factory with close to 500 hp. Calls is one of the most underrated (hp) cars he's ever driven.

-Which is better to drive? E92: V8 car has an aggression the Turbo 6 does not. Sound is much better as well. F80: lower, wider, lighter, more tire, better brakes, nicer interior, more efficient. (TBD until last comment in review.)

-Sound: V8 is brilliant. Turbo 6 makes "good, spacey sounds" but does not compare to V8.

-Where the Tuned V8 felt like a different car, the tuned M4 felt "the same". Good and bad to this.

-He makes a brilliant comment about the C&C M4 that hit the curb. You really should pay the $1 to hear him drop that in. I don't want to give it away. Support our car reviewers!

Final comment that ended the video taken word for word:

You can call me a convert. While the V8 still wins in the sounds department and that will never change, everywhere else: steering, brakes, power, interior and now tunability gives my nod to the F80. But please, don't stop making it with the stick.

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[GOLFFRR]

Dinan tune gives you 75hp? wow I didn't know that. I may have to go watch this, after all its only a buck!

do you have the link?

[Damasconian]

Originally Posted by GOLFFRR

Dinan tune gives you 75hp? wow I didn't know that. I may have to go watch this, after all its only a buck!

do you have the link?

I tried to put in a correct link but Vimeo made it difficult. Just google "Vimeo Drive+" and you see all the videos available to watch. Each one costs $1 and some of the proceeds go to the producers (Drive+). It was the second of three videos, starts around the 8 minute mark.

[GOLFFRR]

Originally Posted by Damasconian

I tried to put in a correct link but Vimeo made it difficult. Just google "Vimeo Drive+" and you see all the videos available to watch. Each one costs $1 and some of the proceeds go to the producers (Drive+). It was the second of three videos, starts around the 8 minute mark.

perfect. thanks

[Roadkiller]

Originally Posted by Damasconian

-He thinks F80 came from factory with close to 500 hp. Calls is one of the most underrated (hp) cars he's ever driven.

Thanks for taking the time to share this dude. I like his claim but not too sure about it. I do believe its a bit underrated but I'm not sure I'd put it close to 500 hp -- that might be a bit much. If true, thats a win for us.

[ASAP]

Legit review... an E92 with a stroked $25k motor vs a tuned F80...

The lolness is awesome.

[Damasconian]

Originally Posted by Roadkiller

Thanks for taking the time to share this dude. I like his claim but not too sure about it. I do believe its a bit underrated but I'm not sure I'd put it close to 500 hp -- that might be a bit much. If true, thats a win for us.

Agree, 500 hp is a reach. But I don't know anyone that drives more cars and puts out more videos than he does. Between Drive+, TST videos, and his podcast, the guy is immersed in cars unlike anyone reviewing them today. His opinion matters because of the sheer number of cars he gets to drive. And the fact he's a big supporter of the F8X cars does skew my opinion on him, but we are human, right? Its a great 8 minute comparison of why both cars are so great.

[Damasconian]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Legit review... an E92 with a stroked $25k motor vs a tuned F80...

The lolness is awesome.

Explain. And keep the order on the P1!

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Damasconian

Explain. And keep the order on the P1!

I don't see how it makes sense to share your thoughts on 2 generations of a vehicle when one of them doesn't even have the original motor. It is a motor swap no matter how you phrase it. Granted, I haven't seen the video as personally I am not a fan of Farah but the premise is terrible.

Also, the P1 didn't wow me on the ring like the F80

[Accel Junky]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I don't see how it makes sense to share your thoughts on 2 generations of a vehicle when one of them doesn't even have the original motor. It is a motor swap no matter how you phrase it. Granted, I haven't seen the video as personally I am not a fan of Farah but the premise is terrible.

Also, the P1 didn't wow me on the ring like the F80

I think the point was comparing two tuned examples, one from each generation. It would be like comparing a tuned R34 GTR to a tuned R35, which would be a legit comparison.

[8600RPM]

It's a stroker motor dinan! Not just tuned car. I'd wager stock f80 beats stroked e92.

[Accel Junky]

Tuned as in modified generally speaking. Not as in reflash/piggyback only.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Accel Junky

I think the point was comparing two tuned examples, one from each generation. It would be like comparing a tuned R34 GTR to a tuned R35, which would be a legit comparison.

Not really... a tune only vs tune only car would be legit. As would boltons vs boltons... most people don't even know what a stroked motor is and what it comprises of... trust me, its not the same motor as the one that came with the car.

If you want reassurance of what I just mentioned hop on over to e90 M3 post and check out the take rate on stroker motors and how popular that "mod" is . It's virtually non existant. In essence what you have potentially done here is taken a motor that some previously thought of as being mediocre and made it great by completely modifying its internals to the tune of $25k... it doesn't make sense. For it to make sense here you have to discount motors completely and focus on the chassis and so forth.

[Accel Junky]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Not really... a tune only vs tune only car would be legit. As would boltons vs boltons... most people don't even know what a stroked motor is and what it comprises of... trust me, its not the same motor as the one that came with the car.

If you want reassurance of what I just mentioned hop on over to e90 M3 post and check out the take rate on stroker motors and how popular that "mod" is . It's virtually non existant. In essence what you have potentially done here is taken a motor that some previously thought of as being mediocre and made it great by completely modifying its internals to the tune of $25k... it doesn't make sense. For it to make sense here you have to discount motors completely and focus on the chassis and so forth.

Not worth my time.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Accel Junky

Not worth my time.

Correct because there is nothing to discuss... when someone spends $25k on a motor (a mod that is rarely if every employed) and replaces it with different pistons, rods and a different length crankshaft and later uses it as a baseline to speak of when it comes to comparing generations... you receive a flawed comparison.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Not really... a tune only vs tune only car would be legit. As would boltons vs boltons... most people don't even know what a stroked motor is and what it comprises of... trust me, its not the same motor as the one that came with the car.

If you want reassurance of what I just mentioned hop on over to e90 M3 post and check out the take rate on stroker motors and how popular that "mod" is . It's virtually non existant. In essence what you have potentially done here is taken a motor that some previously thought of as being mediocre and made it great by completely modifying its internals to the tune of $25k... it doesn't make sense. For it to make sense here you have to discount motors completely and focus on the chassis and so forth.

You make no sense!

If you need a good reason to compare these two cars, there is plenty, similar price being the first on the list. You could also compare a supercharged E9x to a tuned F8x, because that's two cars that many people are cross shopping.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I don't see how it makes sense to share your thoughts on 2 generations of a vehicle when one of them doesn't even have the original motor. It is a motor swap no matter how you phrase it. Granted, I haven't seen the video as personally I am not a fan of Farah but the premise is terrible.

I haven't watched the video (not willing to pay $1 to subsidize Matt Farah ), but I think that was the whole point of the comparo. To show that to get the same Dinan power gain from $2500 on the F8X, you need to spend $25000 on the E9X.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Correct because there is nothing to discuss... when someone spends $25k on a motor (a mod that is rarely if every employed) and replaces it with different pistons, rods and a different length crankshaft and later uses it as a baseline to speak of when it comes to comparing generations... you receive a flawed comparison.

And BTW, if he really wanted to only compare the two generations, I think he would have been able get some stock cars!

Take it for what it is, two different ways of building a fast M3, both with two completly different caracter!

[Damasconian]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I haven't watched the video (not willing to pay $1 to subsidize Matt Farah ), but I think that was the whole point of the comparo. To show that to get the same Dinan power gain from $2500 on the F8X, you need to spend $25000 on the E9X.

For someone who didn't watch the video, you fully understood what he was trying to say. Basically these new turbo engines have really changed the game when it comes to aftermarket performance improvements.

Why don't you like Farah? After Harris and Sutcliffe, he's my favorite. He's not biased and drives dozens and dozens pf cars per year. The fact his dad is who he is shouldn't matter, the guy works hard and puts out quality videos.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

You make no sense!

If you need a good reason to compare these two cars, there is plenty, similar price being the first on the list. You could also compare a supercharged E9x to a tuned F8x, because that's two cars that many people are cross shopping.

That would have made way more sense because the supercharger is a common modification.

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I haven't watched the video (not willing to pay $1 to subsidize Matt Farah ), but I think that was the whole point of the comparo. To show that to get the same Dinan power gain from $2500 on the F8X, you need to spend $25000 on the E9X.

The only problem is that no one strokes the E90s and instead chooses a Supercharger which costs less than a half and doesn't require any internal modification for most kits. My issue is with the fact that the mod they choose to compare is a Stroker Kit which is essentially a different motor at the end of the day. Both cars are clearly provided by Dinan which is why both cars are a poor representation of the general modding public (this forum included) and the fact that Dinan doesn't even make the most popular S65 mod. I don't see how anyone could disagree with that but watching a lot of Matt's vids I highly doubt he knows the demographics of BMW enthusiasts well.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by ASAP

The only problem is that no one strokes the E90s and instead chooses a Supercharger which costs less than a half and doesn't require any internal modification for most kits. My issue is with the fact that the mod they choose to compare is a Stroker Kit which is essentially a different motor at the end of the day. Both cars are clearly provided by Dinan which is why both cars are a poor representation of the general modding public (this forum included) and the fact that Dinan doesn't even make the most popular S65 mod. I don't see how anyone could disagree with that but watching a lot of Matt's vids I highly doubt he knows the demographics of BMW enthusiasts well.

Dinan E9X vs Dinan F8X (as I pointed out in my OP)

And bolding your text does not make you more right

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Dinan E9X vs Dinan F8X (as I pointed out in my OP)

And bolding your text does not make you more right

I guess it's a valid comparison if you feel that generalizing statements are made as result of one company which isn't even popular... like it takes $25k to get out of one as $2.5k in another aren't very valid when you close yourself to one tuner who very few people choose when it comes to power.

FYI- The text is only bold because things get weird when you multiqoute.