Why is there no M4 GC?

STooK · 11-13-2014, 01:55 PM

I'm not sure if this has been answered already but I was curious why there is no M4 GC. They have the M6 GC so I figured there would be one for the M4.

If anyone has any photoshop pics I'd be interested in seeing them.

RingMeister01 · 11-13-2014, 03:23 PM

Posted before, a rendering based on the concept. I think we will see an M variant soon.

Maddict3 · 11-13-2014, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RingMeister01

Posted before, a rendering based on the concept. I think we will see an M variant soon.

Wasn't it confirmed that there will be no M4GC?

Dinh335 · 11-13-2014, 03:37 PM

Cause there's an M3

LwaLt · 11-13-2014, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dinh335

Cause there's an M3

+1

nickdrivesm3 · 11-13-2014, 04:42 PM

My sources at BMW NA said they M4 GC didn't happen because you have an M3 w/ CF roof so there really is no market for the M4 GC which would almost be identical M3.

mkoesel · 11-13-2014, 05:07 PM

I've read speculation about it being due to the fact that the required flare on the rear fender would be too difficult to pull off. Though when you look at the M3 and what they did with so little space between the door and fender, I don't know if I really buy it.

I guess it would probably require too many unique parts to justify the small number of sales. Though, if 4 GC sales are high enough, I think it might happen next generation.

Here's one official response:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=973551

Any M4 Gran Coupe coming?
We have investigated that for a long time, but in our opinion the M4 coupe and M3 sedan spread the models/products wider. The coupe and gran coupe look similar and speak to the same customer. With a real 4 door sedan (M3) we have a wider product. Another reason is the trunk lid on the gran coupe because of the rigidity of the body and the weight, it's not that suitable for an M car.

Lots of past discussion on this, by the way:

https://www.google.com/search?q=gran...bimmerpost.com

onatuesday · 11-13-2014, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nickdrivesm3

My sources at BMW NA said they M4 GC didn't happen because you have an M3 w/ CF roof so there really is no market for the M4 GC which would almost be identical M3.

There's also something called a X6M and a X5M and who knows maybe a X3M in the future.

Brosef · 11-13-2014, 05:26 PM

I recall Scott saying something about how the structural design wasn't as stiff as it is in the M3

Merli · 11-13-2014, 05:31 PM

Found it!

solstice · 11-13-2014, 05:49 PM

The main reason for the M6GC is profit margin. The M6 lineup is hugely more expemsive than the M5. Not so with the M3 and M4, pretty much the same price. Making another 4-door with little if any extra profit would just cannabalize on whichever car becomes most popular to no gain. Simply bad business.

gblansten · 11-13-2014, 05:52 PM

M4GC is a hypernuanced answer to a question no one should ask.

STooK · 11-13-2014, 07:47 PM

Thanks for the replies. I am aware the M3 exists, but one can also argue there's no point of a 4 GC when the f30 already exists.

It would definitely be cool to see one in the future though.

brianeck · 11-14-2014, 11:08 AM

As a current owner of a BMW 650i Xdrive Gran Coupe M Sport Edition FOR THE LOVE OF GOD don't make the friggin names so absurd on any other models.

solstice · 11-14-2014, 11:33 AM

I think BMW would gain better return on investment if they spent the $$$ on developing a 4GC on adding AWD as an option. Don't get me wrong I don't want and AWD M3 for myself but I think it would attract a new segment of buyers to the M3 and we also see some of the current buyers complaining about lack of traction and oversteer. Is it a similar investment? I don't know, maybe an AWD design and production costs are much higher than those for a 4GC.

Damasconian · 11-14-2014, 11:40 AM

The Grand Coupe is what the 3 should have looked like to start. I think both models look great, but the GC looks sleeker and sportier.

The 6 GC looks a good deal different than the 5 series does. I just don't think there is a enough differentiation between the regular 3 and the 3 GC to necessitate another model. All that being said, the frameless doors and hatchback design are great.

MasterC17 · 11-14-2014, 11:47 AM

I would have bought one if they offered one, but alas they did not and will not. Oh well!

nickdrivesm3 · 11-14-2014, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by trinim3

There's also something called a X6M and a X5M and who knows maybe a X3M in the future.

True and there is a market for those believe it or not. haha

omegaSMP300 · 11-14-2014, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Damasconian

The Grand Coupe is what the 3 should have looked like to start. I think both models look great, but the GC looks sleeker and sportier.

Agreed sir!

Jim B · 11-14-2014, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nickdrivesm3

True and there is a market for those believe it or not. haha

If an X3M is forthcoming, can an X4M be far behind?

afadeev · 11-15-2014, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickdrivesm3

My sources at BMW NA said they M4 GC didn't happen because you have an M3 w/ CF roof so there really is no market for the M4 GC which would almost be identical M3.

The same can be said for regular 3 vs. 3GC.
GC being an elaborate answer to a question that few have asked.

No M3/M4GC means that GC dreaming has gotten run over by the reality of disappointing GC sales.

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JS919 · 11-16-2014, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by afadeev

The same can be said for regular 3 vs. 3GC.
GC being an elaborate answer to a question that few have asked.

No M3/M4GC means that GC dreaming has gotten run over by the reality of disappointing GC sales.

a

There is no such thing as a 3GC, so it make sense that the sales are disappointing. It's hard to sell something that doesn't exist.

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mkoesel Moderator 7515 Rep 19,368 Posts Drives: No BMW for now Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canton, MI iTrader: (1)	I've read speculation about it being due to the fact that the required flare on the rear fender would be too difficult to pull off. Though when you look at the M3 and what they did with so little space between the door and fender, I don't know if I really buy it. I guess it would probably require too many unique parts to justify the small number of sales. Though, if 4 GC sales are high enough, I think it might happen next generation. Here's one official response: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=973551 Any M4 Gran Coupe coming? We have investigated that for a long time, but in our opinion the M4 coupe and M3 sedan spread the models/products wider. The coupe and gran coupe look similar and speak to the same customer. With a real 4 door sedan (M3) we have a wider product. Another reason is the trunk lid on the gran coupe because of the rigidity of the body and the weight, it's not that suitable for an M car. Lots of past discussion on this, by the way: https://www.google.com/search?q=gran...bimmerpost.com
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solstice Major General 5457 Rep 7,037 Posts Drives: 2015 M3 6MT Join Date: May 2013 Location: Seattle iTrader: (0)	The main reason for the M6GC is profit margin. The M6 lineup is hugely more expemsive than the M5. Not so with the M3 and M4, pretty much the same price. Making another 4-door with little if any extra profit would just cannabalize on whichever car becomes most popular to no gain. Simply bad business.
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