M3/M4 vs RCF

YMB_F80 · 11-10-2014, 04:21 AM

Wow!!! Shows how much people care about the new RCF. Looks like Lexus is going to fail again with the car just like the ISF's.

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2014/11/...-Sh-t-7723573/

L3x · 11-10-2014, 10:13 AM

Yeah Well... It's an ugly Toyota!

zer0cool · 11-10-2014, 10:38 AM

If demand on the RCF is really very poor, maybe there will be 8k+ discount on it soon. That would be nice. I personally think it's one of the best looking cars out there, much better than any BMW (except i8).

1.8t · 11-10-2014, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Victorwu120

Looks like Lexus is going to fail again with the car just like the ISF's.

How exactly did the ISF fail? It matched every performance metric of that generation of M3.

JoeyBananas · 11-10-2014, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by zer0cool

If demand on the RCF is really very poor, maybe there will be 8k+ discount on it soon. That would be nice. I personally think it's one of the best looking cars out there, much better than any BMW (except i8).

Thei8 is the ugliest BMW IMO, it's horrendous

SunnyD · 11-10-2014, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1.8t

How exactly did the ISF fail? It matched every performance metric of that generation of M3.

+1...i may be biased because I own an ISF, but the 2011+ did match the e90 m3 in performance, even on a road course.

But, I'd still take the M4 over the RCF any day of the week.

robbys3m3 · 11-10-2014, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SunnyD

+1...i may be biased because I own an ISF, but the 2011+ did match the e90 m3 in performance, even on a road course.

But, I'd still take the M4 over the RCF any day of the week.

agreed...with that said, I owned an is-f for 3 years and really enjoyed the car.

ixse · 11-10-2014, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by zer0cool

If demand on the RCF is really very poor, maybe there will be 8k+ discount on it soon. That would be nice. I personally think it's one of the best looking cars out there, much better than any BMW (except i8).

Holy mother you have one hell of a taste in car design. Did you like pontiac aztec as well when it came out?

NorCal f80 · 11-10-2014, 02:15 PM

Looks like this is the Nike edition, from looking at the headlights.

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Originally Posted by zer0cool

If demand on the RCF is really very poor, maybe there will be 8k+ discount on it soon. That would be nice. I personally think it's one of the best looking cars out there, much better than any BMW (except i8).

zer0cool · 11-10-2014, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ixse

Holy mother you have one hell of a taste in car design. Did you like pontiac aztec as well when it came out?

No, I just think there are many things that are subjective. Don't get me wrong, I really like the looks of the 5 and 3 series, that's why I own one of each...

However I really like the IS/RC look. I think the new Lexus spindle look, especially in its most aggressive form on the IS/RC F and Fsport trims, is really love it or hate it. Many people can't stand them, while many find them to be really amazing designs.

There also other designes that I think are universally liked. For example, I really like the look of the new Boxster, which aparently you drive. I think also in general almost everyone finds the new gen boxsters and caymans to be beautiful.

The one car I see frequently in company garadge that I find to be really ugly is the new Jeep Cherokee with the 4 lights... really weird looking.

kdphan · 11-10-2014, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by zer0cool

No, I just think there are many things that are subjective. Don't get me wrong, I really like the looks of the 5 and 3 series, that's why I own one of each...

However I really like the IS/RC look. I think the new Lexus spindle look, especially in its most aggressive form on the IS/RC F and Fsport trims, is really love it or hate it. Many people can't stand them, while many find them to be really amazing designs.

There also other designes that I think are universally liked. For example, I really like the look of the new Boxster, which aparently you drive. I think also in general almost everyone finds the new gen boxsters and caymans to be beautiful.

The one car I see frequently in company garadge that I find to be really ugly is the new Jeep Cherokee with the 4 lights... really weird looking.

This is an M3/M4 forum

all other cars are ugly

the RC-F is growing on me though

M3guy3 · 11-11-2014, 01:11 AM

hate the RCF. i wanna talk to the team who designed it. wanna see what there thoughts were. honestly i do...... so ugly

M6-Coupe · 11-11-2014, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by zer0cool

If demand on the RCF is really very poor, maybe there will be 8k+ discount on it soon. That would be nice. I personally think it's one of the best looking cars out there, much better than any BMW (except i8).

Really??

/// M sa · 11-11-2014, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by zer0cool

No, I just think there are many things that are subjective. Don't get me wrong, I really like the looks of the 5 and 3 series, that's why I own one of each...

However I really like the IS/RC look. I think the new Lexus spindle look, especially in its most aggressive form on the IS/RC F and Fsport trims, is really love it or hate it. Many people can't stand them, while many find them to be really amazing designs.

There also other designes that I think are universally liked. For example, I really like the look of the new Boxster, which aparently you drive. I think also in general almost everyone finds the new gen boxsters and caymans to be beautiful.

The one car I see frequently in company garadge that I find to be really ugly is the new Jeep Cherokee with the 4 lights... really weird looking.

Don't let the door hit you on your way out to Lexus forums lol what a clown statement, Lexus looks better than M3/4? Wtf are you smoking?

TravyTrav · 11-12-2014, 02:52 PM

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RC F: FASTER ON A CLOSED TRACK

The Lexus RC F is faster than the BMW M4 and Audi RS 5 on a closed track.*

http://www.lexus.com/models/RCF/gall...-closed-track1

comments?

JoeyBananas · 11-12-2014, 03:23 PM

Every review I have read, or comparo video I have seen. The M4 beats the RC-F in every single category with the exception of engine sound..............

Jaymax85 · 11-12-2014, 03:31 PM

its too heavy and the styling is pretty controversial.

vantagesc · 11-12-2014, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TravyTrav

comments?

According to the video, M3 turned a laptime of 86.15s vs. 84.44s for the RC F, over a 1.8 mile course. Kind of looks like the Top Gear USA test track.

That's a big gap if a truly objective test. But there's no way to verify that everything was fair. The video points out a lack of traction in the Audi / BMW, which is not something I would have expected to hear about the Audi. I do know that the test track is very dusty.

consolidated · 11-12-2014, 04:27 PM

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RC F: FASTER ON A CLOSED TRACK

The Lexus RC F is faster than the BMW M4 and Audi RS 5 on a closed track.*

http://www.lexus.com/models/RCF/gall...-closed-track1

Interesting test. AMCI has a quite a few video tests on youtube showing the GS beating the 5 series from 2012 and 2014, and now the RC-F thrashing the M4 by 3 seconds on a 1.8 mile cone "track" they set up.

Justin Bell is the test driver, but has also been on Lexus' payroll since 2010 if I remember correctly, when he helped launch the LF-A. Isn't he a brand ambassador for Lexus?

I suppose if you can't have the journalism you want, pay for some.

Roadkiller · 11-12-2014, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by consolidated

Interesting test. AMCI has a quite a few video tests on youtube showing the GS beating the 5 series from 2012 and 2014, and now the RC-F thrashing the M4 by 3 seconds on a 1.8 mile cone "track" they set up.

Justin Bell is the test driver, but has also been on Lexus' payroll since 2010 if I remember correctly, when he helped launch the LF-A. Isn't he a brand ambassador for Lexus?

I suppose if you can't have the journalism you want, pay for some.

Here are your comments.

consolidated · 11-12-2014, 05:45 PM

From AMCI's FB page, yeah, they sound very neutral, definitely not a marketing or brand consulting firm.

If they weren't so greedy with a 3 second gap no one might have noticed, but seriously did they make Justin wear his helmet backwards or was the paycheck enough?

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About
Building Brands.
Launching Products.
Creating Advocates.

Mission
Build Brands. Launch Products. Create Advocates.

Company Overview
AMCI is a global, automotive consulting agency specializing in getting results for the world’s most influential automotive brands. Services include AMCI Testing: automotive testing and insights; AMCI Live: experiential marketing programs that accelerate the purchase funnel to convert prospects into customers...marketing babble...

They are certainly doing a good job of "creating advocates", Clublexus is lapping it up like warm milk to kittens.

Looks like Justin hosted this video for Lexus.

Aralan · 11-12-2014, 06:25 PM

I recently attended a RC F test drive event. There was a very good turn out. They had 8 RC Fs available to drive on the track in a lead/follow format and 2 M4s on hand to drive with an instructor riding shotgun.

They also had a variety of Lexus cars along with a A5, Mercedes C class, BMW 435i on hand to drive on an autocross circuit.

Talking to people attending the event, I was left feeling that Lexus was selling a lot of BMWs that day.

There's certainly a market for the RC F and there is certainly some overlap with M3/M4 buyers, particularly those looking for a reasonably quick but comfortable sport coupe. Those focused more on performance aren't likely to fall in love with the RC F though.

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