[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Unlikely you will, very, very few people (a handful or so) have reported a problem like that with the camera. I wear prescription glasses and never had that issue. It seems to be more tied to facial structure from what a couple people have said.

It is an optical camera that uses infra-red for lighting.

Thanks..so it will probably work for me then..

[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by gschlact2

As a heads up, DAPP will require the Executive Package, and possibly more.

I know...I already did a build that includes it:

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1939610

[cms22]

I'm about to order a '23 M50i for my wife. While we'd love to get DAPP, we are having a hard time justifying the price with the Executive Package. (We want the HUD and rear shades, but don't care about the moonroof and LaserLight and would probably pay them to leave the glass controls off - so it ends up being $3500 incremental cost vs. HUD / shades as standalone options.)

Just to be certain, there is no way to get DAPP without the Exec Package in the M50i, correct? Given the premium package is already baked into the M50i, I was hoping that the Premium / Exec Package requirement didn't apply for the M50i. Anyone ever had any success getting DAPP without the Executive Package?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by cms22

Anyone ever had any success getting DAPP without the Executive Package?

Not possible, the Executive package needs to be ordered.

[cms22]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Not possible, the Executive package needs to be ordered.

Thanks for the confirmation.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by cms22

I'm about to order a '23 M50i for my wife. While we'd love to get DAPP, we are having a hard time justifying the price with the Executive Package. (We want the HUD and rear shades, but don't care about the moonroof and LaserLight and would probably pay them to leave the glass controls off - so it ends up being $3500 incremental cost vs. HUD / shades as standalone options.)

Just to be certain, there is no way to get DAPP without the Exec Package in the M50i, correct? Given the premium package is already baked into the M50i, I was hoping that the Premium / Exec Package requirement didn't apply for the M50i. Anyone ever had any success getting DAPP without the Executive Package?

Chalk it up to a safety feature like airbags. The hardware is used for some collision avoidance features I believe. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong about this.

[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by cms22

I'm about to order a '23 M50i for my wife. While we'd love to get DAPP, we are having a hard time justifying the price with the Executive Package. (We want the HUD and rear shades, but don't care about the moonroof and LaserLight and would probably pay them to leave the glass controls off - so it ends up being $3500 incremental cost vs. HUD / shades as standalone options.)

Just to be certain, there is no way to get DAPP without the Exec Package in the M50i, correct? Given the premium package is already baked into the M50i, I was hoping that the Premium / Exec Package requirement didn't apply for the M50i. Anyone ever had any success getting DAPP without the Executive Package?

You have to get the Executive package in order to get DAPP. So many are saying that DAPP is basically a safety feature. But you're right...DAPP would end up costing us a lot ...I mean just to get it: $1700 + $3150 = $4850. With that being said...I really want to get DAPP as there is no price on safety...I also consider the adaptive headlights with lasers a safety feature.

[EngineGoBrrr]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

It seems to be more tied to facial structure from what a couple people have said.

Ouch, that burn. So basically the car doesn't like the look of my face once in a while.

Originally Posted by Brigitte

You have to get the Executive package in order to get DAPP. So many are saying that DAPP is basically a safety feature. But you're right...DAPP would end up costing us a lot ...I mean just to get it: $1700 + $3150 = $4850. With that being said...I really want to get DAPP as there is no price on safety...I also consider the adaptive headlights with lasers a safety feature.

Before going all in on those packages, please do keep in mind both the pros and cons of the system. ADAS (advanced driver assist systems), regardless of manufacturer is prone to errors can cause user overreliance. Some may be better than others but things such as phantom braking, late braking, and getting lane markings confused are just some examples that all these systems have. And the better the ADAS is, the more you get lulled into a false sense of security and let your guard down. Happened to me in my Honda and it almost ran me off the side of a mountain... lesson learned.

I am definitely for these systems as I see more benefits than risks. But there were times where it was going against me than working for me. Highly suggest an extended test drive prior to checking that box as $5k is a good amount of money. Every manufacturer's ADAS is different so BMW's may or may not be your cup of tea.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by EngineGoBrrr

Ouch, that burn. So basically the car doesn't like the look of my face once in a while.
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Wasn't specifically referring to your case since you mentioned that it works 90% of the time. There are many factors that go into it. There were a few who have reported constantly getting the warning and having it disengage, it was one pr two of them that suggested it was facial structure since everything else checked out.

[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by EngineGoBrrr

Before going all in on those packages, please do keep in mind both the pros and cons of the system. ADAS (advanced driver assist systems), regardless of manufacturer is prone to errors can cause user overreliance. Some may be better than others but things such as phantom braking, late braking, and getting lane markings confused are just some examples that all these systems have. And the better the ADAS is, the more you get lulled into a false sense of security and let your guard down. Happened to me in my Honda and it almost ran me off the side of a mountain... lesson learned.

I am definitely for these systems as I see more benefits than risks. But there were times where it was going against me than working for me. Highly suggest an extended test drive prior to checking that box as $5k is a good amount of money. Every manufacturer's ADAS is different so BMW's may or may not be your cup of tea.

I'm not worried due to my personal nature (it is hard for me to delegate). I will never trust/rely on that system no matter how reliable it is...so I will always be watching/driving as if I don't have it. With that said, we all could make a mistake or be distracted for a second crucial second. I have been thru close calls. This is where the DAPP will correct/alert me. Hoping that during those rare incidents the system will operate safely/correctly. Also...the Executive package has the Adaptive LED Headlights with Lasers...this is very important to me as it improves night vision. The bottom line is: I will not allow the system to make a mistake...the system will not allow me to make a mistake...

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Brigitte

Also...the Executive package has the Adaptive LED Headlights with Lasers...this is very important to me as it improves night vision.

I'm sure you are aware of it but I remember you described your driving conditions as mostly city streets with occasional highway usage. The lasers will only come into play when the high beams are on and you are going above 37mph. The standard LEDs are actually brighter/further throw, although create more glare, in most instance of low beam usage.

[medphysdave]

The new package bundling is a tough pull to swallow for sure. Our 45e would have cost an extra $4k had it been a my23 due to the price increase and requirement to add the exec package. If an option for you. Wait for the LCI? Likely a price increase, but it might come with more standard features and/or less strict bundling. I apologize if the timeline for purchases was previously stated.

[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I'm sure you are aware of it but I remember you described your driving conditions as mostly city streets with occasional highway usage. The lasers will only come into play when the high beams are on and you are going above 37mph. The standard LEDs are actually brighter/further throw, although create more glare, in most instance of low beam usage.

Most of my traveling will be on a 45 mph road...I would need to drive briefly on a 40 mph road. Since I'm retired...it will be during light traffic. Would adaptive lights help when making turns or in curves? It's my understanding that the adaptive headlight bulbs would swivel toward the car's direction of travel.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Brigitte

Most of my traveling will be on a 45 mph road...I would need to drive briefly on a 40 mph road. Since I'm retired...it will be during light traffic. Would adaptive lights help when making turns or in curves? It's my understanding that the adaptive headlight bulbs would swivel toward the car's direction of travel.

Yes, adaptive lights turn as you turn.

[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

The new package bundling is a tough pull to swallow for sure. Our 45e would have cost an extra $4k had it been a my23 due to the price increase and requirement to add the exec package. If an option for you. Wait for the LCI? Likely a price increase, but it might come with more standard features and/or less strict bundling. I apologize if the timeline for purchases was previously stated.

Is the 2024 model the LCI? The problem is we really don't know if the chip shortage will get better or worse!

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Brigitte

Is the 2024 model the LCI? The problem is we really don't know if the chip shortage will get better or worse!

The LCI starts production in April of 23.

[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Yes, adaptive lights turn as you turn.

Thanks...I really want/need this feature. So I will get the Executive package regardless..

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Brigitte

Thanks...I really want/need this feature. So I will get the Executive package regardless..

Sounds good. Just for clarity though, the standard LED lights are adaptive.

[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Sounds good. Just for clarity though, the standard LED lights are adaptive.

Oh! So what's the main difference? Lasers?

BTW? Where is the info about the standard LED lights being adaptive...I remember searching for it on the ordering guide but couldn't find it...

[Brigitte]

The IIHS rated the Adaptive Headlights with Laser Lights as G which is the best rating. On the other hand...they rated the Adaptive Headlights without Laser Lights as "Poor" which is the worst rating:

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle...-door-suv/2022

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Brigitte

Oh! So what's the main difference? Lasers?

BTW? Where is the info about the standard LED lights being adaptive...I remember searching for it on the ordering guide but couldn't find it...

There are a number of differences besides the lasers: dummy interior light rather than two, no cornering light, different DRLs, and different output.

They forgot the words Adaptive for the 552 description this year.

This years:


Last Years:


Standard Features:

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Brigitte

The IIHS rated the Adaptive Headlights with Laser Lights as G which is the best rating. On the other hand...they rated the Adaptive Headlights without Laser Lights as "Poor" which is the worst rating:

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle...-door-suv/2022

Yes, that is why I mentioned the glare. That is why they are rated as Poor.

I would not get the standard LEDs for a number of reasons.