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The price difference between the 2 cars doesn't come from the interior, the superior technology or one brand or another or even construction techniques. It comes from the production volume and the different economies of scale the manufacturers can achieve. Arguing about how much better the 911 interior is seems totally silly to me - I liked the fact that it was a good one but more along the nice-to-have line. Given the purpose of the car and the driving experience, I wouldn't have cared even if it still had the old school 993 interior (which is pretty awful). But if you must bring interior quality in the discussion... The one thing I did notice was how hard the seats were and how much they would suck on long journeys. Quote:
You may have noticed, most people shop on a budget - they decide firsthand how much money they are willing to spend, then they try fit as much car into that budget as they can (of course the algorithm to determine the most valuable attributes being a very personal thing). It is the case with me as well - if I wanted to switch from the M3 to a used 997.2S I certainly could - and no value-based argument would stand in my way.
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My 997S..I miss her, wish I could afford to have both..the M3 as a DD and the 997 for my weekend car. Dave
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09-21-2010, 11:20 PM | #47 | |
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I have not yet owned a P car and have only really been looking at them hard over the last 6 months. Ironically, it is the Panamera that would be the first one that I would want (replacement for the wife's ML) with a TT replacing my F down the road. I know this is an M3 forum and all....but I don't think the M3 interior compares to anything. BMW's interiors are weak (and I own a late model one). |
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09-22-2010, 12:00 AM | #48 | |
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I actually liked the 997 interior in this respect...it was purposeful, there was no fluff. If you wanted fluff you have to pay for it, which added to the cars price immensely for little or no resale value. The best advice I have to anyone buying a 911 is to keep the options at a minimum, unless you plan on keeping this car for a very long time. On resale you get little to no money back on your investment. Also goes for the PCCBs or the powerkit...you spend boat loads of money and when you go to sell it you see how much it adds to the resale of the vehicle...zilch. I ordered my 997S with just Nav, Bose (which sounds worse than the base M3s stereo), sport seats and alum. door sills..thats it. Dave
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My 911 had full leather interior, body colored center consule (instead of plastic beige colored center consule), Adaptive sports seats. I can easily confirm that M3's controls are more high quality. Carbon/leather texture trim is way higher quality than grey plastic trim I had in my 911 as is the I-drive screen and controls to cheap looking plastic grey PCM. Porsche finally improved the PCM with the facelift. Only 2 things I like more in 911 were the alcantara headliner and leather dash. On the other hand, a few weeks ago, I sat in a new Camaro (but didn't drive) and I find the interior too cheap and plastic. Didn't like the dash. design either. |
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09-22-2010, 07:19 AM | #52 | |
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Yes I do. Can you name me a few examples of how a Porsche 997, with standard options, exceeds BMW in quality? And since when does anyone pine over Porsche's spartan interior? That's the way it's supposed to be and always has been. Why do you think they option the shit out of you at the dealership? For all the picky, candy-asses who dont get the purpose-built nature of a "driver's car." Porsche says, "Ok schmucky, open your wallet, we're going to take this much $$$$$$ and your going to get painted center caps on your wheels." "...And here's a fresh tube of Astro Glide because before you leave here, your a-hole is going to look like you just crapped out a 3.8 litre piston."
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What kind of ZERO posts 989 times on a forum of a car he doesn't like? Time to take up a hobbie.
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Cdnrockies should consider knitting as well. You not only aren't listening to people who have actually OWNED porsches as well as M3's, you are hanging in an M3 forum, bashing the car, and shopping for Porsches. You actually impress me as more of a Mustang kind of guy, since you can't tell the difference between a Mustang and an M3. |
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09-22-2010, 09:37 AM | #55 | |
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I disagree. my e46 m3 coupe fit 4 adult comfortable on long drive. lot headroom, leg room in the back.
i've seen both in person and interior quality between m3 and 911 are the same. in fact, base m3 has better interior quality than base 911 or cayman, unless you spend ton of money on expensive option in the porsche. but for that money, you can get anything custom made to better spec. i hope you don't count leather dash as higher interior quality, it is more like an expensive option that anyone can have either from factory or custom made, but it doesn't speak for interior quality itself. e9x m3 interior is atleast on par with current gen 911. and when you bring price into consideration, the porsche is overpriced. e46 m3 interior trump 996 911 hands down. the 996 911 interior is the worse looking one i've ever seen and everything felt cheap. looks like it came straight from the 80. mustang interior is no where close to m3 or 911. Quote:
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how so, what kind of leather does the 3-5k offer? and you still end up with the ugly looking base seat. add another 4 grands for the better bucket seats.
with the m3, 950 bucks can give you novillo leather which is very good. the m3 is more comfortable to sit in as well. cayman/911 seats suck for long drive. Quote:
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My father in law has a 997.2 S with PDK. Its def quicker then my car, not doubt about it and the fact that is about 500lbs lighter helps a lot. I was actually shocked out how much faster it is then the E9X M3, we have done a few pulls.
In the winter though, its a handful because of the low ground clearance and the pretty wide rear tire. I normally shut of the TC and let the rear end come around about and get some momentum. I hate the standard seats in the 997 though, M3 seats are much better. I would love to get a GT3!!!
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I will have to agree with those that don't find the standard 997 interior superior to that of the E9x M3. My M3 didn't have extended leather nor does my 997. I feel like both cars have good quality materials, but Porsche is a bit more plain. I don't really mind though because I bought the 997 because of the driving experience and not because I thought the inside was pretty.
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Lets see who gets a 997 (998?) first. I still have not gotten my M3. And I really hope I will love it.
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Guys, I have been conversing with shift@red for a number of years and there is no denying that he is a big fan of Porsche. He also happens to currently own a Z4M and has compared that car to be almost on par with his former CaymanS. He has owned two E46 M3's as well. To say that he hates the M3 or BMW is just absurd.
I personally have owned three Porsche's and countless BMW's (E46M3, E60 M5 and two 335's). I can tell you as far as fit/finish and build quality go, there is no question that Porsche is better. The paint on my '03 996TT was worlds better than ANY of my BMW's. I have only seen the interior of an E9xM3 one time and was impressed. My 997S had the full leather dash and sport seats and they are better than the E9xM. I think Porsche has better leather the whole way around. Do I think base interior vs base interior there is a huge difference? No, I don't. Having said that, in 2009 the 997S did develop a couple of dash board rattles which soured me a bit but that appeared to be "out of the norm" for those cars. I got blasted on a number of forums for calling it a "rattle trap" at that time and the empiracle data from others leads me to believe that it wasn't a common occurrence. Having said all of that, I know for a fact that I will be happy as "a pig in shit" with either a 997(S), 997.1TT or a E92M3. I just have to decide. Oh yeah, on my way home from Baltimore today the dreaded HPFP failure hit me in my 335. This is one area where BMW has pissed me off thoroughly. This issue NEEDS to be a f'ing recall item. Take the 100,000 warranty and stick it....recall all of them NOW. |
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But the weight difference is not 500 lbs if your car is not cab. Actually, Porsches are heavier than manafacturer's claim. There are several 911 GT3 owners in rennteam.com who had reported that their GT3/GT3 RS is significantly heavier than Porsche's claim. There is one poster who weighted his 997.2 GT3 RS and it is 1475 kg with 2/3 full tank. Porsche claim 1370 kg (DIN) There were 2 others who reported that their cars weight around 70-90 kg more. On the other hand we have consistant weight of 1620-1640 kg for E92 M3. So real World difference between 997.2 Carrera S PDK vs. E92 M3 w/DKG is around 110-120 kg~240-260 lbs. It is significant BUT not as much as 500 lbs. |
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