991 Turbo S Cab vs Ferrari 458 and 458 Speciale: Vids

[Vic55]

And a modded 997.2 TT vs the 458 and Speciale

[Tylerstar]

Man do those 991 turbos pull.

[Maddict3]

Great find!

The Speciale is a beast.

[M6-Coupe]

Nice videos

[mwlmd]

So what makes the Speciale so special?

[Hoopumpers]

^ 2844lbs

[clar]

Shit...damn Turbo S is fast!

[clar]

From the looks of it, the Mac 650S would obliterate everything out there by a country mile...

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by clar

From the looks of it, the Mac 650S would obliterate everything out there by a country mile...

Probably. I drove the 12c as you suggested and it was pretty insane. Ironically, the dealer had a black 650s that I had a pretty darn good shot at getting if I wanted it. But for some reason the looks of the car just don't grab me. But you were definitely right. The way they drive is insane!

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Hoopumpers

^ 2844lbs

Any more stock hp right??

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Any more stock hp right??

about 35

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Tylerstar

Man do those 991 turbos pull.

They do but normally they need help--- the AWD system kills the cars up top as I found out in my pre modded 996TT, 997.1TT, and 997.2TT PDK (less here with the PDK). But a simple ECU tune and the car runs much better as seen by the modded 997.2 pull even on the Speciale.

Originally Posted by clar

From the looks of it, the Mac 650S would obliterate everything out there by a country mile...

Yep- the McClaren is the fast stock beast for sure. Its just how bad do you want to buy a 300k plus car that will be worth 50% in 2 years. This is what is going on now with the MP4; the 2012's are ACV'ing with lower miles in the 160's. But money is relative so for me- it would be the value I get out of it over the time of ownership. I think I'd get a used MC for that 160 price if I was in the market. Ill tell you this, Id rather buy a 2010 458 for 200k all day as its just the better car for me.

[clar]

Originally Posted by ColdList

Probably. I drove the 12c as you suggested and it was pretty insane. Ironically, the dealer had a black 650s that I had a pretty darn good shot at getting I wanted it. But for some reason the looks of the car just don't grab me. But you were definitely right. The way they drive is insane!

Dun go there dude. A 650S is gonna ruin your future car ownership big time. Where else do u go from there after a 650S?

[clar]

Originally Posted by Vic55

They do but normally they need help--- the AWD system kills the cars up top as I found out in my pre modded 996TT, 997.1TT, and 997.2TT PDK (less here with the PDK). But a simple ECU tune and the car runs much better as seen by the modded 997.2 pull even on the Speciale.




Yep- the McClaren is the fast stock beast for sure. Its just how bad do you want to buy a 300k plus car that will be worth 50% in 2 years. This is what is going on now with the MP4; the 2012's are ACV'ing with lower miles in the 160's. But money is relative so for me- it would be the value I get out of it over the time of ownership. I think I'd get a used MC for that 160 price if I was in the market. Ill tell you this, Id rather buy a 2010 458 for 200k all day as its just the better car for me.

Unfortunately, 12C prices aren't falling so badly where I am. I am hoping to get a used 650S a couple of years down the road to accompany the Speciale. At the rate Mac is going, I can't imagine what they will be bringing out next.

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by clar

Dun go there dude. A 650S is gonna ruin your future car ownership big time. Where else do u go from there after a 650S?

A-V-E-N-T-A-D-O-R -lol!

Not buying the McClaren. Still doesn't have the flair I would want in a $300K car.

[clar]

Originally Posted by ColdList

A-V-E-N-T-A-D-O-R -lol!

Not buying the McClaren. Still doesn't have the flair I would want in a $300K car.

I understand that the 12C already outruns the Aventador Indeed, the Macs doesn't have the same type of flair compared to traditional Italian exotics. They are engineered for a different kind of experience. While I am no fan of lambos in general, the Aventador makes my hair stand each and every time I see one. It's on-road presence is unrivaled and the sound that damn V12 makes... Mac is actually my fav sports car manufacturer. I like their approach towards making cars. After I have ticked off the last car in my bucket list (Speciale), i will definitely own a Mac. It will be the next P15 if not the 650S. As much as many Ferrari owners dun care too much abt absolute speed in the straights and on tracks, over time, it will wear them out if they keep having sand kicked in their faces by the Macs. Ferrari is feeling the heat these days and there is a lot of talk on the 458 replacement being turbo charged (heaven forbid) to be competitive with the Mac and Porsche Turbos. Both are starting to eat their lunch these days. Competition is always good for us