435i first test (manual)

300hp · 02-13-2014, 03:55 PM

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...al-test-review

Bluelondon · 02-13-2014, 05:01 PM

I'm always impressed whenever I read about 0-60 times in a 428i. 5.3 seconds from a 2.0 litre!

*Pats car on the back*

auf Deutsch · 02-13-2014, 05:03 PM

They did say it may be the best 4 cyl on the market. Although, I like the comment how the I6 may be the best engine in a sub $100k car even better....a turbine wrapped in a down comforter.

ny325 · 02-13-2014, 05:27 PM

I'll have a difficult time paying $50,000 for a car with a 4 cylinder engine. I don't care what badge it wears. Maybe over time I'll change my mind.

Falafel Combo · 02-13-2014, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ny325

I'll have a difficult time paying $50,000 for a car with a 4 cylinder engine. I don't care what badge it wears. Maybe over time I'll change my mind.

You probably will. Large 6 and 8 cylinder engines are becoming an outdated concept already. They risk becoming irrelevant gas guzzling dinosaurs or will be mostly limited to performance cars. You are likely to see more and more 4 pots in this category, and the prices will not reflect any change. BMW is already developing its 3 cylinder engines. I would not be surprised to see a 4 cylinder M2 for $60,000. It's the future.

dday · 02-13-2014, 10:27 PM

The article echoes many reasons I got the 435 with a manual. One thing that's glossed over though is it's not just about 0-60. The 60-100 is a whole other ball game.

Infamouz627 · 02-13-2014, 10:58 PM

Don't think there's much difference between the F30 and F32 as they both run the same N55 motor in the 335/435. Having said that, I have a 335i and I'd beg to differ on the comment about the "turbine wrapped in a down comforter". I feel the N55 makes quite a high pitched whine when reaching RPMs above 3k. I would be more comfortable with a low pitched, throatier rumble from this motor so it doesn't sound like it's struggling and about to blow a gasket. Anyone else notice this?

ny325 · 02-13-2014, 11:05 PM

I'm afraid you are right regarding 4 cylinder engines. I will feel better if BMW brought back hydraulic steering, along with the 4 cylinder. I guess I'll be keeping my E90 for a long time.

auf Deutsch · 02-14-2014, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dday

The article echoes many reasons I got the 435 with a manual. One thing that's glossed over though is it's not just about 0-60. The 60-100 is a whole other ball game.

In fact, the trap speed of 105+ is the same figure that MT got with an 8AT 335ix with 20hp PPK.

300hp · 02-14-2014, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by auf Deutsche

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Originally Posted by dday

The article echoes many reasons I got the 435 with a manual. One thing that's glossed over though is it's not just about 0-60. The 60-100 is a whole other ball game.

In fact, the trap speed of 105+ is the same figure that MT got with an 8AT 335ix with 20hp PPK.

C&D always posts higher trap speeds than MT. Another way to look at it is the S4 MT tested trapped at the same 105mph. There is no way a 300hp F30 can trap the same as the S4.

MT tested a 335i manual with PPK and it trapped at 103mph.

335BOY · 02-14-2014, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ny325

I'll have a difficult time paying $50,000 for a car with a 4 cylinder engine. I don't care what badge it wears. Maybe over time I'll change my mind.

I feel the same way. They sound and feel wierd/awful.

ny325 · 02-14-2014, 10:48 AM

I test drove the F30 Msport and I will say it's pretty fast for a 4 cylinder. However, the car feels light, numb steering, the interior materials I think are a step below the E90, and the engine seems like it's working hard when you push it. Overall not bad, just doesn't feel like the " Ultimate Driving Machine."

300hp · 02-14-2014, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ny325

I test drove the F30 Msport and I will say it's pretty fast for a 4 cylinder. However, the car feels light, numb steering, the interior materials I think are a step below the E90, and the engine seems like it's working hard when you push it. Overall not bad, just doesn't feel like the " Ultimate Driving Machine."

I think if there was ever a contest to find which is better, the E90 328i and the F30 328i, the F30 would win that contest in almost everything, other than steering feel.

I know there is the R&T comparison but once they said the interior of the E90 was better than the F30, they lost all credibility with that test

ny325 · 02-14-2014, 03:23 PM

I guess this is the future of BMW. Would be nice if they increased the performance numbers, HP/Torque. I priced a 2014 F30 428i msport with Ppkg, lighting pkg, and HKardon. I couldn't believe it came close to $50,000. This is where I have a problem, spending that for a 4 cylinder engine. The F30 335i was near $60,000. BMW I think is pricing its cars based on it's reputation, and driving dynamics. However, I think it has lost it. If I remember correctly, Road and Track also preferred the E90 handling, road feel, and steering over the F30. They said it could be the tire choice, and size of the tires of the F30.

300hp · 02-14-2014, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ny325

I guess this is the future of BMW. Would be nice if they increased the performance numbers, HP/Torque. I priced a 2014 F30 428i msport with Ppkg, lighting pkg, and HKardon. I couldn't believe it came close to $50,000. This is where I have a problem, spending that for a 4 cylinder engine. The F30 335i was near $60,000. BMW I think is pricing its cars based on it's reputation, and driving dynamics. However, I think it has lost it. If I remember correctly, Road and Track also preferred the E90 handling, road feel, and steering over the F30. They said it could be the tire choice, and size of the tires of the F30.

If you can have an IS350 for 50k, I don't see the issue with getting a 328i with the same price. Similar performance with the 328i most likely being the better track car and free maintenance for 4 years.

If you can get an S4 for 60k, same thing no issues getting a 335/435 for the same price

Jamesons Viggen · 02-14-2014, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ny325

I guess this is the future of BMW. Would be nice if they increased the performance numbers, HP/Torque. I priced a 2014 F30 428i msport with Ppkg, lighting pkg, and HKardon. I couldn't believe it came close to $50,000. This is where I have a problem, spending that for a 4 cylinder engine. The F30 335i was near $60,000. BMW I think is pricing its cars based on it's reputation, and driving dynamics. However, I think it has lost it. If I remember correctly, Road and Track also preferred the E90 handling, road feel, and steering over the F30. They said it could be the tire choice, and size of the tires of the F30.

The issue is with you, some kind of mental block. You have all the right to have it. But don't let it cloud facts.

Fact is that base engine 428 that happens to be a 4 cylinder has net 0-60 in 5.3 and in some tests 13.8 in the 1/4, .90gs, and 110ft from 60. All very strong figures that a few years ago would require the 335 or an M car.

The f series pricing when adjusted for inflation is not even a grand more yet has more features. So again, you are entitled to not like the pricing or the drivetrain, but the things that are not a matter of opinion as shown above speak highly for the new car.

ny325 · 02-14-2014, 06:04 PM

Correct. It's a mental block I have. Maybe with time it will go away. Hopefully by then BMW will improve the steering, and smooth out the ASS.

300hp · 02-14-2014, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ny325

Correct. It's a mental block I have. Maybe with time it will go away. Hopefully by then BMW will improve the steering, and smooth out the ASS.

Ahh, smooth ASS, nothing beats nice peace of ASS

It can relieve your mental block too.

Jamesons Viggen · 02-14-2014, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ny325

Correct. It's a mental block I have. Maybe with time it will go away. Hopefully by then BMW will improve the steering, and smooth out the ASS.

The steering will get better.

ASS is a comedic thing to mention. Its coded for free! I have not had ASS kick in for almost two years now, I forget the car has the feature sometimes. Why gripe about it?

focal · 02-14-2014, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

The steering will get better.

ASS is a comedic thing to mention. Its coded for free! I have not had ASS kick in for almost two years now, I forget the car has the feature sometimes. Why gripe about it?

ASS on a manual really is a non issue. You press the clutch, car starts before you even get back into first gear. Maybe it was really bad in 2012, but my 05/13 build is a non obtrusive concern.

Jamesons Viggen · 02-14-2014, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by focal

ASS on a manual really is a non issue. You press the clutch, car starts before you even get back into first gear. Maybe it was really bad in 2012, but my 05/13 build is a non obtrusive concern.

It doesn't bother me. But with coding, I choose to have the feature or not and not have to turn it off On start up.

Just don't see the point of griping about it if you aren't forced to use it.

jp-delmar · 02-14-2014, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ny325

I'll have a difficult time paying $50,000 for a car with a 4 cylinder engine. I don't care what badge it wears. Maybe over time I'll change my mind.

When BMW, Audi, and Mercedes all switched to four cylinders for their base engines, I thought the exact same thing. Then I test-drove a 428, followed by a 435. Both were pretty much fully loaded, with the 428 around $55k and the 435 around $60k. I ended up getting the 428. The four cylinder really just felt like the "right" engine for the car.

Both the 428 and the 435 are ridiculously expensive, and far more than I ever thought I would pay for a 3-series. Of course, I also never thought I would buy a 3-series that was called a 4-series. Bottom line: time marches on. Things get more expensive, efficiency increases, marketing departments hold more sway.

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dday Captain 33 Rep 856 Posts Drives: 2014 Alpine White 335 M-Sport Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: MA iTrader: (1)	The article echoes many reasons I got the 435 with a manual. One thing that's glossed over though is it's not just about 0-60. The 60-100 is a whole other ball game.
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Infamouz627 First Lieutenant 41 Rep 389 Posts Drives: 2013 335i M-Sport EBII 6MT Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	Don't think there's much difference between the F30 and F32 as they both run the same N55 motor in the 335/435. Having said that, I have a 335i and I'd beg to differ on the comment about the "turbine wrapped in a down comforter". I feel the N55 makes quite a high pitched whine when reaching RPMs above 3k. I would be more comfortable with a low pitched, throatier rumble from this motor so it doesn't sound like it's struggling and about to blow a gasket. Anyone else notice this? __________________ 2013 EB2 335i M-Sport 6MT // BM3 Stage 2 // VRSF DP // AA CP
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ny325 Brigadier General 895 Rep 3,141 Posts Drives: Jet Black E90 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gridlock iTrader: (0)	I'm afraid you are right regarding 4 cylinder engines. I will feel better if BMW brought back hydraulic steering, along with the 4 cylinder. I guess I'll be keeping my E90 for a long time.
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ny325 Brigadier General 895 Rep 3,141 Posts Drives: Jet Black E90 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gridlock iTrader: (0)	I test drove the F30 Msport and I will say it's pretty fast for a 4 cylinder. However, the car feels light, numb steering, the interior materials I think are a step below the E90, and the engine seems like it's working hard when you push it. Overall not bad, just doesn't feel like the " Ultimate Driving Machine."
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ny325 Brigadier General 895 Rep 3,141 Posts Drives: Jet Black E90 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gridlock iTrader: (0)	I guess this is the future of BMW. Would be nice if they increased the performance numbers, HP/Torque. I priced a 2014 F30 428i msport with Ppkg, lighting pkg, and HKardon. I couldn't believe it came close to $50,000. This is where I have a problem, spending that for a 4 cylinder engine. The F30 335i was near $60,000. BMW I think is pricing its cars based on it's reputation, and driving dynamics. However, I think it has lost it. If I remember correctly, Road and Track also preferred the E90 handling, road feel, and steering over the F30. They said it could be the tire choice, and size of the tires of the F30. Last edited by ny325; 02-14-2014 at 03:31 PM..
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ny325 Brigadier General 895 Rep 3,141 Posts Drives: Jet Black E90 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gridlock iTrader: (0)	Correct. It's a mental block I have. Maybe with time it will go away. Hopefully by then BMW will improve the steering, and smooth out the ASS.
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