02-06-2014, 07:00 PM | #1 |
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M3/M4 vs. RS5
I am in the market for either a Rs5 or M3/M4. I love the high revving v8 in the Rs5 but dislike the s-tronic only option. I know the new m is going to handle much better than the Rs5. The major question is what to do in the winter. The car will be my dd so this poses some concern. I drive a 335xi couple 6 MT with the Dinan tune and its a blast in the winter. I feel like with some good winter tires, the LSD, and a manual gear box the m will do alright. I am going to drive the Rs5 tomorrow so my opinion might totally change. I am leaning heavily towards a M4. I'm a BMW guy at heart and the thought of leaving gives me an uneasy feeling.
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Did you see the earlier post of the M4 driving in the snow?
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=943355 The M3/M4 may get by in the snow, but you are still probably better off in the quatro RS5 |
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02-06-2014, 07:04 PM | #3 |
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RS5 is a beautiful but heavy player in the segment and we are already moving into the next gen for everyone. Audi will be releasing a lighter and meanerA/S5 next fall. The RS5 is a Johnny come lately at this point.
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02-06-2014, 07:29 PM | #4 |
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I had an '08 RS4 and had test drove a RS5 a few months back. Audi fit and finish is up there as one of the best. The quality of materials, design, panel gap etc...love that part about Audi's. Then there is the driver experience, and the ownership experience.
Driver experience: Less than stellar. Both the RS4 and RS5 understeer, even with the torque vectoring I've found. Both engines are pretty much the same which means they have zero torque and you have to wind them out to get any sort of performance out of them. And both cars are very heavy which makes their understeering tendencies even worse. Murder on the front brakes and tires as well. Ownership experience: I can't speak of the RS5 but with the RS4 I needed new tires and brake pads at 20K. My DRC suspension blew the front shocks and Audi didn't want to cover them. That took a poison pen letter to the regional rep to get that fixed. The 4.2 FSI engine is also notorious for carbon buildup in the intake. Audi will not cover the cleaning even though their patent filing state that this is a potential problem with their FSI direct injection design. Audi is owned by Volkswagen, as is Porsche. Both make it very tough on the owner in regard to cover anything under warranty. They try to weasel out of covering anything.
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02-06-2014, 07:37 PM | #5 |
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Don't underestimate the improvement that winter tires offer during snow.
A RWD car with snow tires will outperform an AWD car on all-season tires....of course an AWD car with snow tires trumps all. Think about how often you'll actually be in need of AWD, 20-30% of the year maybe, and 70-80% of that time you'll have an AWD system that's heavier and less fuel efficient |
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02-06-2014, 07:47 PM | #9 |
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I dont understand the winter argument. RS5 is a performance car and it comes with summer tires no? How is the AWD going to help in snow with summer tires? Put on a set of cheap winter tires on the M3, it will destroy RS5 in snow.
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02-06-2014, 07:54 PM | #11 |
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Really? WTF did I just read. I have an e90 x drive and GTR, GTR has the all season tires and my e90 x drive is on blizzaks and the x drive is a tank in snow. Snow tires on a rear wheel drive vs AWD with snow tires is night and day. Someone that can afford the RS5 won't have any issues dishing out $$ for winter tires.
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As for ownership history. So far, the RS5 has been problem free.(knock on wood). The only problem with either car in heavy snow is ground clearance. This was just yesterday. |
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02-06-2014, 08:25 PM | #14 |
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Unless you have a jeep most cars will have a clearance issue with snow like that.
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02-06-2014, 08:36 PM | #15 | |
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When it comes down to it, AWD with winter tires will always give you better traction off the line than a RWD with winter tires. When the snow gets really deep, the car just becomes a snowplow and all bets are off. Doesn't matter what car you have. Here's a pic of my Evo X with winter tires stuck in the snow. |
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02-06-2014, 09:04 PM | #16 |
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The RS5 is a bloated, out-dated boat. Looks and sounds nice though. If that's your thing.
I'd be waiting for the M3/4 and getting a decent set of winter wheels/tyres if the snow is a concern. |
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02-06-2014, 09:26 PM | #18 |
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As another owner of both RS5 (and E93 M3) the RS5 is useless with summer tires in the snow and winter tires or all season are a must.
The RS5 and the new M3/M4 are 2 different cars the M will have higher torque at low RPMs while the RS5 is a high rev engine which is in my opinion is more fun. When it comes to handling I'm sure it will be neck to neck. The handling of the RS5 is breath taking if you will be brave enough to push the car . The RS5 has no adaptive suspension and the ride is rough and that will give the M an advantage when it comes to the comfort level. The RS5 pulls much faster than my E93 (don't know about the E92) and since I got H&R sways installed I don't drive the M at all. At the beginning my plan was to get the RS5 until the ZCP package is offered for the M4 (2-3 years) but now I'm selling the M3 and keeping the RS5. Don't make you mind until you drive both. With either cars you will not lose and for the winter just get a winter tires for the one you end up buying. Best of luck! |
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The car may be near the end of its life-cycle, but it is STILL one of the most beautiful coupes on the road. Quarttro is considered by most to be the best all wheel system in the world and it is amazing to have the confidence when driving in bad conditions.
EXCEPT don't try this with Quarttro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyOMskK3A2o As stated before the major drawbacks are the excessive weight, the lack of driver to car feel and input, and the lack of a manual transmission. Plenty of people track the RS5 and have a blast while doing it (you can get on the gas much earlier in the apex than in a rrd). If you go this route be sure to look at getting the Eurocode Alu Kreuz (helps structural rigidity and stiffens up the steering feel) and a set of sways to "help" with the understeer issue. Quote:
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Here are my thoughts on RS5 from a previous thread:
"I too went to look at RS5 the other day but I came away underwhelmed. I currently have 03 A4 and I just got rid of E92 M3 which I drove for nearly four years. Since I'm a car guy I thought I'll get RS5 while I wait for LCI updated M4. I do agree that RS5 looks awesome and sounds awesome as well. I test drove a fully loaded model. That's were pros end for me. Interior is ok, nothing special, dashboard is right out of A5 the only things RS5 adds to distinguish it form A5 is a steering wheel (very nice) and shifter. Materials used for dashboard felt very cheap especially hard plastic in front of the passenger. My old Audi has higher quality materials inside it for instance. The back seats are also useless, once I set my seat for comfort (I'm 6' 2") I couldn't fit anybody back there. Front seats are also not as good as M3's, no adjustable side bolsters and they felt pretty hard for such an expensive car. Audi's DCT was also disappointing, there was a delay between paddle shifter input and gear change and I constantly would pull turn signal/wiper/hi-beam stalks instead of paddles...this was annoying. Engine, while awesome sounding doesn't have the urgency S65 has. Last, throttle response wasn't there either. This car was worth about $55K to me and not $80K they want for it. After I was done with RS5 I immediately put a deposit down on a new M4." |
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Headroom (at least for me) was lacking in the RS5 with the standard glass sunroof. One fairly large reason why I'm going with the M4 and it's carbon roof.
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