[Tengocity]

I think this review sums up my thoughts on our 335d as well, and relating back to my comments on the 350d thread that BW are missing a trick with not coming up with a bespoke M335 of some sort to battle the S4. It should be a halfway house between the full M cars and the standard cars.

I don't think anybody here has any doubt that the F30 with the right tweeks would walk all over the Audi

[dopper99]

But hasnt that Audi got some kind of trick suspension/diff or something? (I haven't watch this vid for a while). Without that the BM would walk all over it? And how many people would order the Audi trick suspension?

[d4springer]

What's a spordy sedan?

[Pablo68]

I've seen that vid before.

In that vid the S4 has wider summer tyres than the Beemer which has all season tyres on.

And that is a base spec 335i with no adaptive suspension nor M Brakes. The S4 has uprated suspension.

So in his own words the Beemer is cheaper, has a nicer interior, better fuel economy, better ride the Audi wins because it has a better "piped in" engine note. OK.

The thing is though the 335i isnt meant to be a "sporty" car it's meant to be a bloody fast otherwise standard saloon. BMW don't (as you say) have an M3 "lite" like the S4 is an RS4 "Lite". But honestly I'm not sure I would want one. If wanted better track ability I would buy an M3, but on the road I don't need more performance than I already have, and if I wanted a dedicated track car it wouldn't be a 2 ton saloon.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Pablo68

I've seen that vid before.

In that vid the S4 has wider summer tyres than the Beemer which has all season tyres on.

And that is a base spec 335i with no adaptive suspension nor M Brakes. The S4 has uprated suspension.

So in his own words the Beemer is cheaper, has a nicer interior, better fuel economy, better ride the Audi wins because it has a better "piped in" engine note. OK.

The thing is though the 335i isnt meant to be a "sporty" car it's meant to be a bloody fast otherwise standard saloon. BMW don't (as you say) have an M3 "lite" like the S4 is an RS4 "Lite". But honestly I'm not sure I would want one. If wanted better track ability I would buy an M3, but on the road I don't need more performance than I already have, and if I wanted a dedicated track car it wouldn't be a 2 ton saloon.

Yes the all seasons cost it in the braking test, handling course and acceleration. A summer shod M Sport with wider tyres would have matched the Audi.

Sad that the Audi is the one that has the better handling 'feel' though.

[Pablo68]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Yes the all seasons cost it in the braking test, handling course and acceleration. A summer shod M Sport with wider tyres would have matched the Audi.

Sad that the Audi is the one that has the better handling 'feel' though.

I haven't driven a recent model S4 but I would imagine that it does have a better "feel" in the twisty bits than the F30 purely based on the fact my old E92 did. The F30 always a but light on the steering even in sport mode by comparison. In comfort mode that's great but It would be nice if it tightened up more in sport.