M4 or a Camaro Z/28?! Same price!

[darkalley]

http://www.autoweek.com/article/2014...NEWS/140109975

Holy expensive! I honestly can't imagine spending $80k on a Camaro!

[F9T]

Does the Camaro even come with a maintenance plan like BMWs? I know that it comes with cheap looking interior, so I guess that's worth the $75k...

[mkoesel]

Price seems good for a factory race car - especially one that is actually streetable. M3 GT4 was well over 100k, used stock S65 engine, and was not legal on public roads.

[Suave]

Wow with the price! I did see the the z/28 video run in the ring and was certainly very impressive. However the interior does not reflect a 75K car and basically a street legal track car. Two different markets in my opinion for this car and no way I would ever consider spending this much for a Camaro. Depreciation should be a beast with this one!

[s4play]

Guys, different strokes for different folks, no need to diss!

Same arguement can be had for the GTR, all plastic interior for $100k+ is ridiculous in my book but many will pay. I love all cars and appreciate them though I probably won't write the check.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Price seems good for a factory race car - especially one that is actually streetable. M3 GT4 was well over 100k, used stock S65 engine, and was not legal on public roads.

Exactly, that's the point.

The ZL1, as noted in the article, is $20k cheaper and has more power and more features.

This is a ready to roll track car that happens to be street legal.

[catpat8000]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Exactly, that's the point.

The ZL1, as noted in the article, is $20k cheaper and has more power and more features.

This is a ready to roll track car that happens to be street legal.

And which is faster round the ring than a 911S or a ZL1 and most other cars, including the M3 and the M5 (timed during during a wet lap!).

Pat

[Brosef]

Originally Posted by s4play

Guys, different strokes for different folks, no need to diss!

Same arguement can be had for the GTR, all plastic interior for $100k+ is ridiculous in my book but many will pay. I love all cars and appreciate them though I probably won't write the check.

totally agreed. I'm glad that GM is making this car, even if nobody on this forum ends up buying one. makes me feel a little better (or less uneasy) about the direction cars are moving.

[Chill72]

No thanks, poor visibility coupled with a huge car. Not a fan.

[Ezio]

a/c is a option.... nuff said

[smashhell]

Originally Posted by s4play

Guys, different strokes for different folks, no need to diss!

Same arguement can be had for the GTR, all plastic interior for $100k+ is ridiculous in my book but many will pay. I love all cars and appreciate them though I probably won't write the check.

GTR actually has a quite nice interior, ride is rough though:

http://www.netcarshow.com/nissan/201...llpaper_1a.htm

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by Ezio

a/c is a option.... nuff said

That's a compliment

[Sam335ix]

That is one ugly car lol

[Savory]

Fair price, considering this will pounce a C63 AMG 507 in the handling department, has components durable enough for sustained track use, all backed by a warranty, I wouldn't for a second say it is overpriced. You get CC brakes, sticky tires, Magnetic shocks, bulletproof diff, 427, and aero! No other street legal car at that price point can lap the ring at 7:37 other than Caterhams and Ariel Atoms.

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by Savory

Fair price, considering this will pounce a C63 AMG 507 in the handling department, has components durable enough for sustained track use, all backed by a warranty, I wouldn't for a second say it is overpriced. You get CC brakes, sticky tires, Magnetic shocks, bulletproof diff, 427, and aero! No other street legal car at that price point can lap the ring at 7:37 other than Caterhams and Ariel Atoms.

Actually shocks are not magnetic, but I agree with you. Not my kind of car (since my '69 327 w/ T-bar Hurst shifter), but not overpriced.

[Savory]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

Actually shocks are not magnetic, but I agree with you. Not my kind of car (since my '69 327 w/ Hurst shifter), but not overpriced.

Thanks for correction. I should have said bespoke coilovers. But yes indeed a fair price.

[gee-m-w]

It would be great to see BMW do a car like this. It makes the 2 series M look like a joke.

[bmwluvr24]

The Z28 is such a famous model over the decades, so I am very happy to see it come back. I would never buy one for anything other than a track only car, so for me it is an easy decision to make. M3/M4 all the way.

[Sapper_M3]

Originally Posted by Savory

Fair price, considering this will pounce a C63 AMG 507 in the handling department, has components durable enough for sustained track use, all backed by a warranty, I wouldn't for a second say it is overpriced. You get CC brakes, sticky tires, Magnetic shocks, bulletproof diff, 427, and aero! No other street legal car at that price point can lap the ring at 7:37 other than Caterhams and Ariel Atoms.

Great work on Chevrolet's part for building this thing, but nothing about an 80,000 dollar Camaro entices me.

If the value behind this thing is purely as a track toy, then I'll take an Ariel Atom. Those start at under 60 grand USD, and--while there is a waiting list for new ones--they can be found for even less used.

[435iaffair]

I've owned a few Chevy's, but I'd personally take the LS7 in a Vette's body (coupe/convertible) even if the camaro is quicker in factory form

[Savory]

Originally Posted by Sapper_M3

Great work on Chevrolet's part for building this thing, but nothing about an 80,000 dollar Camaro entices me.

If the value behind this thing is purely as a track toy, then I'll take an Ariel Atom. Those start at under 60 grand USD, and--while there is a waiting list for new ones--they can be found for even less used.

I was just trying to put things into perspective. It isn't just any Camaro, I don't think that its name devalues the insane performance. That's like calling an M3 just a 3 series and dismissing its performance merits. You can spec a Cayman S to $80k or a base 911 non S to $100k. Fully loaded E9X M3s bordered $80k. None of those cars are faster than the Z/28. If we are talking performance per dollar, there aren't many new cars, that come with windshields at least, that rival the Z/28 at its price point.

[catpat8000]

Originally Posted by Savory

I was just trying to put things into perspective. It isn't just any Camaro, I don't think that its name devalues the insane performance. That's like calling an M3 just a 3 series and dismissing its performance merits. You can spec a Cayman S to $80k or a base 911 non S to $100k. Fully loaded E9X M3s bordered $80k. None of those cars are faster than the Z/28. If we are talking performance per dollar, there aren't many new cars, that come with windshields at least, that rival the Z/28 at its price point.

Absolutely! Also, remember the car comes standard with $10K worth of brakes.

Now what's going to happen when GM unveils the C7 Z06 in a week? With a supercharged 6.2 liter V8, 3300 lbs, and 625 HP? Will we see "M4 vs C7 Z06" threads?

Pat