[silverstone_ttlz4]

So I contacted David Aviles at Steve Thomas BMW per other users' recommendations and he seems like a very knowledgable and professional individual, but I want to pass some questions by pricing by others since what he told me nows seems too good to be true.

I was told I could expect to pay 7% below MSRP+600-----that sounds fine to me and a great deal given that I don't have to deal with my local dealer. My partner is concerned about doing the deal from the other coast and insisted I call nearby dealerships to see what they said about those numbers. One dealership in RI said they won't see a 2 until late April and had no idea about allocations. Another in Greenwich, CT, said they were taking orders but instructed not to discount the car at all.

What is everyone else hearing?

[Undertow]

David is as good and honest as they come. I bought my M3 from him with a European Delivery and I'll do the same with the M235i. Whatever the best pricing is for the car, David will be in the ballpark. He also has a ton of ED experience - something I would not want to deal with with a less experienced dealer. At the time I bought my M3, he was still in Maryland and I had no problem living in Boston and working with him on a deal. He crushed the local dealerships here in both price and service.

[vinny84]

I think it's going to depend on the dealer and their allocation. I'm talking primarily about the M235i

I'm doing ED, so I'm automatically getting at least 7% off MSRP.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by silverstone_ttlz4

So I contacted David Aviles at Steve Thomas BMW per other users' recommendations and he seems like a very knowledgable and professional individual, but I want to pass some questions by pricing by others since what he told me nows seems too good to be true.

I was told I could expect to pay 7% below MSRP+600-----that sounds fine to me and a great deal given that I don't have to deal with my local dealer. My partner is concerned about doing the deal from the other coast and insisted I call nearby dealerships to see what they said about those numbers. One dealership in RI said they won't see a 2 until late April and had no idea about allocations. Another in Greenwich, CT, said they were taking orders but instructed not to discount the car at all.

What is everyone else hearing?

The "7% below MSRP plus $600" is a Steve Thomas BMW thing. Northwest BMW (David's old dealer) didn't tack on the extra $600 - in fact, it used to be $500 at Steve Thomas. Everything costs more these days. the other added benefit was that the finance guy at Northwest BMW had an M6 with a tricked out exhaust - he did like 4 passes at full tilt with me and my dad outside the dealership. Pretty awesome.

David has also kept a good relationship with northwest BMW - which means you can broker the deal with David in CA and he will arrange for the car to be delivered in Baltimore. Much closer to me in Indy or you in CT. I was too afraid to ship it the first time - so the 600 mike trip thru the mountains, with my dad and snow and Blizzzaks was effing unforgettable.

I don't think that the official BMWFS programs have been released yet - no one seems to have any idea as to what those are going to look like. It might be that those numbers are still being crunched, with the knowledge that cars ordered now and in January can still be financed after the fact.

But if the release of the E92 and E82 are at all close to what they do with the M235, then you can get pretty close on pricing.

I had the second or third E92 sold in Indiana back in 2006 and the residual was 59% - my 2008 E82 was 58%. Spec your car out now that we have the option list and just take the MSRP X's 93%. That gives you a decent starting point, from which You can then play around with the MF (interest rate) and go blind doing calculations on a lease or loan calculator.

My gut is that BMW will not be aggressive initially with the leasing programs. In effect us early adopters will pay a premium for that right.

And I know for a fact that my car begins production the first week of January - I hope the Germans don't party hard on New Year's Eve - so I will be sitting in it 6-8 weeks after that. Aka not April. It's not unusual that dealers are so clueless, but I have known far more about the last 5 cars I've bought than some SA, save for David.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by vinny84

I think it's going to depend on the dealer and their allocation. I'm talking primarily about the M235i

I'm doing ED, so I'm automatically getting at least 7% off MSRP.

Should get 12-14% I thought for ED ?? Maybe I'm nuts...

[vinny84]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Should get 12-14% I thought for ED ?? Maybe I'm nuts...

Well they advertise 7% discount for ED.

I guess it depends on how well you negotiate to get more taken off that base 7%

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by vinny84

Well they advertise 7% discount for ED.

I guess it depends on how well you negotiate to get more taken off that base 7%

I think David deals in that 12-14% range for ED.

[silverstone_ttlz4]

Thanks for the responses everyone. I'm going to go with David--just sent in my deposit! Looking forward to the addition to the garage in a few months time.

[Ramos]

The 7% ED discount is comparing US delivery MSRP to ED MSRP

You should be able to do 500-1000 over ED invoice, which is way better than 7% under US delivery MSRP

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by silverstone_ttlz4

Thanks for the responses everyone. I'm going to go with David--just sent in my deposit! Looking forward to the addition to the garage in a few months time.

Good deal - he's a good dude and won't disappoint you.

What were the final specs on your order ??

[vinny84]

Originally Posted by Ramos

The 7% ED discount is comparing US delivery MSRP to ED MSRP

You should be able to do 500-1000 over ED invoice, which is way better than 7% under US delivery MSRP

Does anyone happen to know the invoice for ED?

[silverstone_ttlz4]

We're going with 228i in Glacier Silver w/ Black interior, M Sport with brushed aluminum, Tech Pack, Driver Assistance, Premium, Cold Weather and Lighting Package.

Actively pushing for the red interior but losing hope and also had to abandon any hope of significant other agreeing to the dynamic handling package--too hard to justify the cost unfortunately. It won't be my primary car (still with my '09 Z4), so just happy to not have mineral gray or a standard/sport line

[ska///235i]

who the hell is david and steve, are they like bernie and phils

if you know what you're doing...you go ED invoice + $xxx

[Ramos]

Originally Posted by vinny84

Does anyone happen to know the invoice for ED?

ED invoice is harder to obtain than US delivery invoice which is widely available on sites like Edmund.com Try BMWconfig.com when the car goes on sale.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

who the hell is david and steve, are they like bernie and phils

if you know what you're doing...you go ED invoice + $xxx

David Aviles is a SA who sells at "invoice" which is roughly 7% off MSRP--Steve Thomas is the name of a dealership at which David works in the LA,CA area.

I have a job where ED wouldn't work easily for me, because I couldn't plan on being out of the office to that level of specificity for that amount of time.

Thus, David is my best bet...

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

David Aviles is a SA who sells at "invoice" which is roughly 7% off MSRP--Steve Thomas is the name of a dealership at which David works in the LA,CA area.

I have a job where ED wouldn't work easily for me, because I couldn't plan on being out of the office to that level of specificity for that amount of time.

Thus, David is my best bet...

Oh i see...i thought dave & steve were partner in crime lol

Thx for the info

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by vinny84

Does anyone happen to know the invoice for ED?

Take 7% off US invoice, that would get you a ballpark figure.

[jbenderhof]

I live in So. Cal. and have been harassing every dealer in the area for an M235i. For non-ED through the internet sales department, because a market for the car has yet to define itself, the lowest offer I've received is MSRP-$500.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

Oh i see...i thought dave & steve were partner in crime lol

Thx for the info

You got it my man.

[wdlfbio]

I Thought I read about an external service that will handle an ED for folks who can't make it to Munich? They pick up the car and immediately return it for the buyer, for a fee? Still have the 6-9 week delivery wait tho