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      10-24-2013, 06:32 PM   #1
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228i is the better deal

not too much slower and has plenty of good options to be had, and starts a whopping $11k cheaper. It's going to be tough to ignore the 228i with Msport. The M235i is going to be a $60k 2 series all optioned up (lolol, come on BMW).

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I have begun to lean toward the 228i Msport given the performance specs released today.
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      10-24-2013, 07:53 PM   #3
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I'm still getting a M235i, but I can't argue with you there.

I got my 128i, which started at about 29k when it came out in 2009. My brother also got a 135i in 2009 and it started at 36k.

Since then, the 135i has been increasing in price a lot, while the 128i has been a little.

That being said, you do get lots more things standard in the M235i based on the press release.

- Standard Xenons (900 standalone option, or if BMW pulls their lighting package BS it will be $1,500 for you 228i guys)
- Standard variable sport steering ($300 option on F30)
- Standard M sport exterior (probably a 1,500 option on 228i for M package)
- M brake kit (I think that is a $400 option on the F30)
- Standard Dakota Leather ($1,000 option I think on F30)
- Sportier digital display (I think this is referring to the extended black digital cluster, but press release didn't say a lot)


Personally, I don't care about apps or navigation so I will be getting a no options M235i most likely since everything I wanted is standard.

However, if you only care about performance, a 328i + M sport + LSD + tune will not only give you great speed, but also great MPG.
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      10-24-2013, 09:20 PM   #4
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Same here....m235 no doubt
$11k sounds like alot but if you add everything mentioned above and the bigger engine...thats where the money is at
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      10-24-2013, 09:47 PM   #5
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not too much slower and has plenty of good options to be had, and starts a whopping $11k cheaper. It's going to be tough to ignore the 228i with Msport. The M235i is going to be a $60k 2 series all optioned up (lolol, come on BMW).

Anyone else agree?
I do, $11k is a ton of money, but as others said, there are must have options such as xenons that aren't standard on the 228i. And we also don't know how much Msport will cost on the 228i, which IMO is a must. That will definitely close the gap some.

And at the end of the day, I think I'll really miss the sound of the straight 6. If I went M235i, I'd get as little options as possible.

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I'm still getting a M235i, but I can't argue with you there.

I got my 128i, which started at about 29k when it came out in 2009. My brother also got a 135i in 2009 and it started at 36k.

Since then, the 135i has been increasing in price a lot, while the 128i has been a little.

That being said, you do get lots more things standard in the M235i based on the press release.

- Standard Xenons (900 standalone option, or if BMW pulls their lighting package BS it will be $1,500 for you 228i guys)
- Standard variable sport steering ($300 option on F30)
- Standard M sport exterior (probably a 1,500 option on 228i for M package)
- M brake kit (I think that is a $400 option on the F30)
- Standard Dakota Leather ($1,000 option I think on F30)
- Sportier digital display (I think this is referring to the extended black digital cluster, but press release didn't say a lot)


Personally, I don't care about apps or navigation so I will be getting a no options M235i most likely since everything I wanted is standard.

However, if you only care about performance, a 328i + M sport + LSD + tune will not only give you great speed, but also great MPG.
0 chance Dakota leather will be standard. It'll very most likely come with Sensatec instead.
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      10-24-2013, 10:02 PM   #6
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All I want is Msport, xenons, metallic paint, heated seats, and a roof.

Figure 2500 for msport, 900 for xenons, 550 for paint, 500 for seats, and 1050 for the roof and we are around 38.5k. Negotiate down to 36k and thats a good car for the money with 80% of the 235 fun factor.

my only concern is if bmw pulls that 4500 for xenon garbage by forcing the useless premium package like they do on the 1, ugh. if they do that im automatically out.
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I do, $11k is a ton of money, but as others said, there are must have options such as xenons that aren't standard on the 228i. And we also don't know how much Msport will cost on the 228i, which IMO is a must. That will definitely close the gap some.
For me M-sport on any BMW is a must. I simply won't buy one with out it.

If M-sport is $1,900 like on the 128i or close to it. Then the 228i is a fantastic deal.
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      10-24-2013, 10:39 PM   #8
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I do, $11k is a ton of money, but as others said, there are must have options such as xenons that aren't standard on the 228i. And we also don't know how much Msport will cost on the 228i, which IMO is a must. That will definitely close the gap some.

And at the end of the day, I think I'll really miss the sound of the straight 6. If I went M235i, I'd get as little options as possible.



0 chance Dakota leather will be standard. It'll very most likely come with Sensatec instead.
weird, I assume the same as you that it is not standard, but the press release didn't make it seem that way. I am probably wrong though
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      10-24-2013, 11:01 PM   #9
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weird, I assume the same as you that it is not standard, but the press release didn't make it seem that way. I am probably wrong though
3er doesn't even have it standard. You gotta start at the 5er before you see standard leather.

No big deal for me though, I'd be ok with Leatherette as I'm trying to avoid Premium Pack.
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      10-24-2013, 11:20 PM   #10
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I'm still getting a M235i, but I can't argue with you there.

I got my 128i, which started at about 29k when it came out in 2009. My brother also got a 135i in 2009 and it started at 36k.

Since then, the 135i has been increasing in price a lot, while the 128i has been a little.

That being said, you do get lots more things standard in the M235i based on the press release.

- Standard Xenons (900 standalone option, or if BMW pulls their lighting package BS it will be $1,500 for you 228i guys)
- Standard variable sport steering ($300 option on F30)
- Standard M sport exterior (probably a 1,500 option on 228i for M package)
- M brake kit (I think that is a $400 option on the F30)
- Standard Dakota Leather ($1,000 option I think on F30)
- Sportier digital display (I think this is referring to the extended black digital cluster, but press release didn't say a lot)


Personally, I don't care about apps or navigation so I will be getting a no options M235i most likely since everything I wanted is standard.

However, if you only care about performance, a 328i + M sport + LSD + tune will not only give you great speed, but also great MPG.
Lets hope the M-sport package is $1,500. If it cost what it does on the 328i, that would be a giant fail.
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Lets hope the M-sport package is $1,500. If it cost what it does on the 328i, that would be a giant fail.
LOL actually I just saw now that on the 428i it is 3,500 . So I am way off. I am going based off of what it was when I got my car. I believe sport was like 800 and M sport was ~1500-2000. Not sure tho
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I believe when you factor in the cost for the standard options on the M235i, the difference will be $4-5K compared to an equally optioned 228i.

•M Sport brakes standard [fixed calipers, four-piston front, two-piston rear, large brake discs]
•Adaptive M Suspension with electronically controlled shock absorbers
•Individually configured spring and damper system and specific elastokinematics for front suspension
•Variable sport steering standard
•Standard 18 inch M light alloy wheels with 225/40 and 245/35 tires
•Specially tuned exhaust
•Xenons

Still a good deal but not quite as extreme as it seems initially.

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LOL actually I just saw now that on the 428i it is 3,500 . So I am way off. I am going based off of what it was when I got my car. I believe sport was like 800 and M sport was ~1500-2000. Not sure tho
M-sport package pricing is all over the place. It is cheaper on the 5-series than 3-series, go figure. Hoping it is near what it is on the current 128i. But now that BMW has gone to the different "Lines", it wouldn't surprise me if the jack it up. Sport Line being around $2k and M-sport around $3k. That would suck.
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228i is a 4 cylinder which may (since no one has driven it) suffer from turbo lag in low rev situations.

Might to also want to factor in the performance from the extra 2 clyinders in the 235i.

After a test drive of the A45 - it's 4 cylinder engine still has a little bit of lag down low (PS: epic exhaust (AMG Performance) on upshifts so hopefully BMW is watching).
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228i is a 4 cylinder which may (since no one has driven it) suffer from turbo lag in low rev situations.

Might to also want to factor in the performance from the extra 2 clyinders in the 235i.

After a test drive of the A45 - it's 4 cylinder engine still has a little bit of lag down low (PS: epic exhaust (AMG Performance) on upshifts so hopefully BMW is watching).
I have had a couple 328i loaners, one with M-sport. I actually liked the N20 a lot. Would like to experience one with a manual. Only thing I didn't like about the 328i was the size and weight. That will be addressed with the 228i.
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[QUOTE=Aust350z;14868486]228i is a 4 cylinder which may (since no one has driven it) suffer from turbo lag in low rev situations.

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Ummm, no! There's no turbo lag and it has plenty of get-up-and-go..
It's the engine as the 4 banger in my X1. That said, I do prefer the inline 6 in my 1er.
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Agree with others that once optioned, the value equations will get much closer.

If you consider all or most of the standard equipment that the M235i has over the 228i to be must-haves, you may end up with only a small additional premium to throw in the N55.
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228 will be a great set/value more then enough power for day to day driving. 235 well we already know what to expect from that
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Agree with others that once optioned, the value equations will get much closer.

If you consider all or most of the standard equipment that the M235i has over the 228i to be must-haves, you may end up with only a small additional premium to throw in the N55.

Also agree. The pricing will likely make much more sense once we see the online configurators. We are currently looking at the $11k premium from a stripper 228i to a (pretty well equipped) M235i. Once you equip the 228i to the level of a "base" M235i, it will make much more sense.


Having said that I personally think the 228i equipped properly, will be a blast! Perhaps even more fun for everyday driving than the M235i. I currently DD an MK6 GTI, and let me tell you. At 200hp and 207lb-ft, it is plenty fun and more than adequately powered for it's weight. Compared to the GTI, the 228i is a beast!


But then again, once configured properly, the 228i might be close to the M235i base price, making more of an argument for the M235i again. Similar to the 328i/335i debate. Both great cars, both capable and both with distinct advantages over one another. No longer is the car with the higher model designation the clear "better" car.
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Also agree. The pricing will likely make much more sense once we see the online configurators. We are currently looking at the $11k premium from a stripper 228i to a (pretty well equipped) M235i. Once you equip the 228i to the level of a "base" M235i, it will make much more sense.


Having said that I personally think the 228i equipped properly, will be a blast! Perhaps even more fun for everyday driving than the M235i. I currently DD an MK6 GTI, and let me tell you. At 200hp and 207lb-ft, it is plenty fun and more than adequately powered for it's weight. Compared to the GTI, the 228i is a beast!


But then again, once configured properly, the 228i might be close to the M235i base price, making more of an argument for the M235i again. Similar to the 328i/335i debate. Both great cars, both capable and both with distinct advantages over one another. No longer is the car with the higher model designation the clear "better" car.
Personally, I have no interest in all the different drive modes and variable steering. If I wanted to do a budget 228i:
Msport
Xenons
6MT
Heated Seats
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Maybe M-sport brakes

Now, if the gap is still significant to a no option M235i, then it'll be very interesting for sure.
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Yes, 228i Sport or M-sport.
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However, if you only care about performance, a 328i + M sport + LSD + tune will not only give you great speed, but also great MPG.

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