Pzero Nero M+S or Goodyear Eagle F1 All-season?

omg516 · 10-16-2007, 04:42 PM

I'm looking to put some decent all-seasons on my car and was debating between these 2. I was contemplating the kumho ecsta asx also but those appear to be out of stock. Does anyone have any experience with either of these tires?

LOLrance · 10-16-2007, 04:53 PM

Don't get the pzero nero MS. Although they perform decent in the rain, in dry conditions, the tires follow the grooves on the road. This is especially noticeable on the freeways when your car starts to change directions all of a sudden. If you read the reviews on lets say tirerack, you will see a LOT of people complaining about this.

Go with the Goodyear GSD3. Although i haven't tried them personally, friends have told me nothing but good reviews on its dry and wet traction.

omg516 · 10-16-2007, 05:08 PM

Thanks for the input, although the Eagle F1 all-season's are a different tire than the gs-d3's, maybe I'll look more into those.

OC Guy · 10-16-2007, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l4wr3nc3

Don't get the pzero nero MS. Although they perform decent in the rain, in dry conditions, the tires follow the grooves on the road. This is especially noticeable on the freeways when your car starts to change directions all of a sudden. If you read the reviews on lets say tirerack, you will see a LOT of people complaining about this.

Go with the Goodyear GSD3. Although i haven't tried them personally, friends have told me nothing but good reviews on its dry and wet traction.

Tramlining FTL.

LOLrance · 10-16-2007, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Tramlining FTL.

thanks for finding the correct term for me John. I kept thinking in my head "trambling" but that doesn't make sense, so i just decided to explain it in simple terms lol.

OC Guy · 10-16-2007, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l4wr3nc3

thanks for finding the correct term for me John. I kept thinking in my head "trambling" but that doesn't make sense, so i just decided to explain it in simple terms lol.

hehe I figured. It's a rather unusual word.

Chio · 10-16-2007, 08:21 PM

I had the Neros M+s on my 04 Audi S4 and loved them after 2 months they were great and wonderful feed back. I never noticed any strange tracking but you do need to watch tire pressure when they are new. It takes some time for them to break in!!

captainaudio · 10-16-2007, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chio

I had the Neros M+s on my 04 Audi S4 and loved them after 2 months they were great and wonderful feed back. I never noticed any strange tracking but you do need to watch tire pressure when they are new. It takes some time for them to break in!!

I agree with the break in. I have about 2,000 miles on P_Zero Nero on my 335I cabrio. Have not experienced tramlining. Ride quality is far superior to the stock run flats which made the car undrivable in NYC.
I drove it it the rain on the autocross course at Lime Rock last week and found them to be very predictable. They gave a good amount of warning before they let go.

I think they are a very good compromise between comfort and performance.

bavarian19 · 10-16-2007, 08:41 PM

I have had the pirelli's before, and they have been nothing but fantastic tires...

Richardo · 10-16-2007, 09:28 PM

I've owned both sets of tires (the Pirelli P-Zero Nero M+S's on my Acura TL and the Goodyear Eagle F1's on a C5 corvette). The Goodyears were fine, but I liked the Pirelli's even more. They were fantastic all around tires (fast, handled excellent, wore well, and were quiet). I disagree with the previous comment about "the tires follow the grooves on the road". I live in Dallas where we have a lot of construction and roads with grooves. It wasn't a problem for me with the Pirelli's (maybe the front-wheel drive in my TL made a difference??).

captainaudio · 10-16-2007, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richardo

I've owned both sets of tires (the Pirelli P-Zero Nero M+S's on my Acura TL and the Goodyear Eagle F1's on a C5 corvette). The Goodyears were fine, but I liked the Pirelli's even more. They were fantastic all around tires (fast, handled excellent, wore well, and were quiet). I disagree with the previous comment about "the tires follow the grooves on the road". I live in Dallas where we have a lot of construction and roads with grooves. It wasn't a problem for me with the Pirelli's (maybe the front-wheel drive in my TL made a difference??).

I read several posts about the P_Zero Neros tramlining. While I am sure the posters were speaking from their experience I have not experienced it.

MOTO69JOE · 10-16-2007, 11:59 PM

ive got the pzeros and love them so far, no issues and theyre decently priced.

captainaudio · 10-17-2007, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captainaudio

I read several posts about the P_Zero Neros tramlining. While I am sure the posters were speaking from their experience I have not experienced it.

BTW mine are non run flats. I am not sure if they are available in a run flat version. If so maybe those are the ones that tramline.

omg516 · 10-17-2007, 08:20 AM

I'm pretty sure there is no runflat version.

niktee · 10-17-2007, 12:21 PM

I have the Ecsta ASX on my 530i. I'm getting ready to do a lease return on the car, and I have to replace the damn things after 9800 miles in order to pass lease inspection. On another note, I, too, had P-Zero M+S on an A4, and had no complaints. I have an '08 335i on order, and the first order will be to remove the run-flats, place them in storage until about 5,000 miles left on the lease, and run high-performance non run-flats the remainder of the time. I absolutely refuse to pay the extortion to buy two sets during the lease. This way, I can return the car with run-flats without having to use the damn things, wear them out, and buy more. (My small protest against BMW tyranny.)

omg516 · 10-17-2007, 12:34 PM

Thats exactly what I'm planning on doing. I have about 2k miles on the car right now, I'm going to buy some decent all-seasons and hope they last about 30k miles and then I'm going to throw the oem RFT's back on before I return the car.

niktee · 10-17-2007, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omg516

Thats exactly what I'm planning on doing. I have about 2k miles on the car right now, I'm going to buy some decent all-seasons and hope they last about 30k miles and then I'm going to throw the oem RFT's back on before I return the car.

Dear God, please, if you manage 30K on one set of tires, let me know your secret!

omg516 · 10-17-2007, 01:00 PM

Its called, "not minding the squeal"

subframe · 11-16-2007, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omg516

I'm pretty sure there is no runflat version.

Actually there is a RF version of the Pzero Nero M & S available on Tire Rack. I'd really like to hear reports form people who have them, but, unfortunately, there are only two reviews posted on Tire Rack for the RF version. The Tire Rack people tell me that for most parameters like noise, traction, ect, the reviews for the non-runflat version should be applicable. Supposedly the tread design and the compounds are the same; the only difference, according to Tire Rack people, is the sidewall design.

IM2C · 11-17-2007, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bavarian19

I have had the pirelli's before, and they have been nothing but fantastic tires...

+4

ky_soldier · 11-17-2007, 03:08 PM

just bought the eagle F1 a/s and I think they were a good choice.

banggooooo · 11-17-2007, 07:44 PM

I had the pzero neros for about 1 year on my old car and they were fantastic tires. I would definetly buy them again. At high speeds they were absolutely silent. I also read reviews about tramlining but never experienced it. I'm not sure how much the goodyear's cost but the pirellis were very affordable for what you were getting. The treadwear is very high compared to most all seasons. Wet and dry conditions, the tire performed amazingly. Great tire, you can't go wrong.

10-16-2007, 04:42 PM	#1
omg516 Lieutenant 18 Rep 572 Posts Drives: 07 e90 335i Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Francisco iTrader: (0)	Pzero Nero M+S or Goodyear Eagle F1 All-season? I'm looking to put some decent all-seasons on my car and was debating between these 2. I was contemplating the kumho ecsta asx also but those appear to be out of stock. Does anyone have any experience with either of these tires?
	Appreciate 0 Tweet Quote

10-16-2007, 04:53 PM	#2
LOLrance The Law. 301 Rep 14,283 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SF / OC iTrader: (17)	Don't get the pzero nero MS. Although they perform decent in the rain, in dry conditions, the tires follow the grooves on the road. This is especially noticeable on the freeways when your car starts to change directions all of a sudden. If you read the reviews on lets say tirerack, you will see a LOT of people complaining about this. Go with the Goodyear GSD3. Although i haven't tried them personally, friends have told me nothing but good reviews on its dry and wet traction. __________________
	Appreciate 0 Quote

10-16-2007, 05:08 PM	#3
omg516 Lieutenant 18 Rep 572 Posts Drives: 07 e90 335i Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Francisco iTrader: (0)	Thanks for the input, although the Eagle F1 all-season's are a different tire than the gs-d3's, maybe I'll look more into those.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

10-16-2007, 08:21 PM	#7
Chio Lieutenant 108 Rep 561 Posts Drives: G80 M3 Cp, x7 M60 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: STL iTrader: (1)	I had the Neros M+s on my 04 Audi S4 and loved them after 2 months they were great and wonderful feed back. I never noticed any strange tracking but you do need to watch tire pressure when they are new. It takes some time for them to break in!!
	Appreciate 0 Quote

10-16-2007, 08:41 PM	#9
bavarian19 General 517 Rep 18,858 Posts Drives: Car Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: VA iTrader: (23)	I have had the pirelli's before, and they have been nothing but fantastic tires...
	Appreciate 0 Quote

10-16-2007, 09:28 PM	#10
Richardo Private First Class 14 Rep 153 Posts Drives: 335i AT sport Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	I've owned both sets of tires (the Pirelli P-Zero Nero M+S's on my Acura TL and the Goodyear Eagle F1's on a C5 corvette). The Goodyears were fine, but I liked the Pirelli's even more. They were fantastic all around tires (fast, handled excellent, wore well, and were quiet). I disagree with the previous comment about "the tires follow the grooves on the road". I live in Dallas where we have a lot of construction and roads with grooves. It wasn't a problem for me with the Pirelli's (maybe the front-wheel drive in my TL made a difference??).
	Appreciate 0 Quote

10-16-2007, 11:59 PM	#12
MOTO69JOE Captain 27 Rep 876 Posts Drives: E46, E90 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The South iTrader: (3)	ive got the pzeros and love them so far, no issues and theyre decently priced.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

10-17-2007, 08:20 AM	#14
omg516 Lieutenant 18 Rep 572 Posts Drives: 07 e90 335i Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Francisco iTrader: (0)	I'm pretty sure there is no runflat version.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

10-17-2007, 12:21 PM	#15
niktee New Member 1 Rep 17 Posts Drives: 2006 330i//2005 530i//2008 335 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Morgantown WV iTrader: (0)	PZero I have the Ecsta ASX on my 530i. I'm getting ready to do a lease return on the car, and I have to replace the damn things after 9800 miles in order to pass lease inspection. On another note, I, too, had P-Zero M+S on an A4, and had no complaints. I have an '08 335i on order, and the first order will be to remove the run-flats, place them in storage until about 5,000 miles left on the lease, and run high-performance non run-flats the remainder of the time. I absolutely refuse to pay the extortion to buy two sets during the lease. This way, I can return the car with run-flats without having to use the damn things, wear them out, and buy more. (My small protest against BMW tyranny.)
	Appreciate 0 Quote

10-17-2007, 12:34 PM	#16
omg516 Lieutenant 18 Rep 572 Posts Drives: 07 e90 335i Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Francisco iTrader: (0)	Thats exactly what I'm planning on doing. I have about 2k miles on the car right now, I'm going to buy some decent all-seasons and hope they last about 30k miles and then I'm going to throw the oem RFT's back on before I return the car.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

10-17-2007, 01:00 PM	#18
omg516 Lieutenant 18 Rep 572 Posts Drives: 07 e90 335i Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Francisco iTrader: (0)	Its called, "not minding the squeal"
	Appreciate 0 Quote

11-17-2007, 03:08 PM	#21
ky_soldier General of The Universe 50 Rep 418 Posts Drives: 2015 BMW i8 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Prospect, KY iTrader: (0) Garage List 2015 BMW i8 [9.00]	just bought the eagle F1 a/s and I think they were a good choice. __________________ 2017 Tesla Model X P100D 2017 BMW M2 2015 BMW i8 & i3 1946 Willys CJ-2A 2009 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti OTO
	Appreciate 0 Quote

11-17-2007, 07:44 PM	#22
banggooooo Prodigal euro car fanatic returning 3 Rep 76 Posts Drives: 08' 335XI Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dirty Jersey iTrader: (0)	I had the pzero neros for about 1 year on my old car and they were fantastic tires. I would definetly buy them again. At high speeds they were absolutely silent. I also read reviews about tramlining but never experienced it. I'm not sure how much the goodyear's cost but the pirellis were very affordable for what you were getting. The treadwear is very high compared to most all seasons. Wet and dry conditions, the tire performed amazingly. Great tire, you can't go wrong.
	Appreciate 0 Quote