[Longboarder]

* EDIT* Well, I bought a car...just not a 335. But it does have something in common...6 cyl and twins! Check page 3 for pics!!!


What's up guys. From late 2006 to 2012, I leased two different n54 335's...first was a 6MT e90 TiAG/Saddle and the second was a 6MT e92 Space Gray/Saddle:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=478459

Loved the 335 but I started tracking and attending roll-on acceleration events and wanted a platform that could handle both exceptionally well (335 wasn't doing it for me at the track) so in September of 2012 I picked up an M3 and have done a couple mods:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=861280

Even with the mods I've done on the M3, it is bulletproof. I haven't experienced even one CEL or hiccup. It's amazing. The car has been tracked 6 times and attended 4 roll-on acceleration events (all ballz-out) and the car is just flawless.

But nonetheless, I needed something more practical for daily driving so I picked myself up a 2013 STi. While I enjoy the STi, I'm just itching to get back into an n54 335. So I decided to put the STi up for sale (with all of 5,000 miles on it lol) and begin my 335i search. Not sure if I'm going with an e90 or e92 but it will be 6AT.

Mods will be done all at once as follows:

6AT trans flash
LSD
Coils
19" Wheels/tires
RB Turbos
Catless dps
Intercooler
DCI
Tune

Basically a very similar set up to my last e92 335 but with the exception of running upgraded turbos instead of stock turbos + meth. I'm not going crazy on the car but just want something that will be a fun DD. Fortunately I have a shop close by that can do all the work (MRF Engineering) with confidence that everything will be perfect.

Question for you guys is what brands do you recommend? I've been out of the n54 scene for a while and not sure what will work well and remain cost effective. I just don't want a debate on tunes and both Shiv and Terry (and the guys at Cobb) are friends of mine so I'll decide that one later.

Here's what I was initially thinking:

6AT trans flash: Alpina
LSD: Wavetrack
Coils: KW v2
Wheels: unknown at this time
Tires: Michelin PSS
Turbos: RB (again, don't need to go crazy on this build)
Catless dps: ??
Intercooler: ??
DCI: doesn't really matter

Primary goal is reliability. RWHP goal is 460-480 RWHP (dynojet) on 91 octane pump gas and hopefully close to 500 on a 100 octane race gas tune. Don't want e85 as I don't have any e85 anywhere near me and I don't want to deal with water/meth injection.

Also, is there any other supporting mods I would need such as larger fuel pump/injectors, etc? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

Thanks guys and I look forward to sharing my build and hanging out here again.

[AWil335i]

Loved the videos of your M3... what a beast.

Anyways, welcome back. If you're not running E85, I don't think there is a need to upgrade the fuel system on RB's.

[BobS]

If I were you, I'd get the new turbo m3, it's the best of both worlds, would be the newest car out, and a new platform to mess with.

[JStang]

Welcome back. It's good to see guys go with different platforms and come back to the N54.

[Murph335]

So you had a 13 m3 thats what 70k plus 15-20k in mods damn!!! $90k build!!!

335i budget will be a joke for you! Nice loaded 09/10 msport run about 30k,
lsd 2k,
rb $3k,
vrsf intercooler 7" $450,
Bms dp under $400 or go AR if you have $800 to spend
Bms jb4 g5 $500
Corsa no drone exhaust $1200

All prices rounded.

I am currently pricing out the same build bc i cant part with the n54. New boosted m3 will definitely tempt me.

[cwarren]

welcome back to the n54 dd yeah right lol.....you know you'll race this thing

bms on the down pipes cheap and pretty damn good quality !

ets on fmic

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by AWil335i

Loved the videos of your M3... what a beast.

Anyways, welcome back. If you're not running E85, I don't think there is a need to upgrade the fuel system on RB's.

Thanks! Good to know the stock fuel system can handle RBs.

Originally Posted by BobS

If I were you, I'd get the new turbo m3, it's the best of both worlds, would be the newest car out, and a new platform to mess with.

Yeah I saw the world premiere of the new one (M4) at Laguna Seca a few weeks ago. But I think it will be a significant downgrade from a modded e92 M3. The 4.0 v8 revving to 8,600 RPM with the centrifugal blower and catless exhaust mated to the Akrapovic rear section will never be able to be replicated with the upped n55 motor. In the spy vids the upcoming M3/M4 sounds like any other n54 or n55 with a nice exhaust unfortunately. When I part with my M3 in a couple years, I'm going with an R8 v10

Originally Posted by JStang

Welcome back. It's good to see guys go with different platforms and come back to the N54.

Yeah going with the STi was a mistake. It's fun at low speeds but that's it. It's noisy, uncomfortable, fugly, etc.

Originally Posted by Murph335

So you had a 13 m3 thats what 70k plus 15-20k in mods damn!!! $90k build!!!

335i budget will be a joke for you! Nice loaded 09/10 msport run about 30k,
lsd 2k,
rb $3k,
vrsf intercooler 7" $450,
Bms dp under $400 or go AR if you have $800 to spend
Bms jb4 g5 $500
Corsa no drone exhaust $1200

All prices rounded.

I am currently pricing out the same build bc i cant part with the n54. New boosted m3 will definitely tempt me.

Yeah I still have the M3 and plan to keep it for a couple more years. It was fully optioned from the factory so that plus the mods and I'm still under $100K (I hope). That was the goal - supercar performance for under $100K with rock solid reliability.

Planning on spending around $25K for a 335i and I guess around $10K for mods and $2K-$3K for install. All-in for just under $40K.

The M3 and the 335i should be a nice garage combo. It will be tough to decide which one to drive

[themyst]

since you're been around the block, I can tell you 460-480 whp on 91 octane isnt happening. With meth you'll be there though.

also you will see that the 6AT is far less traction challenged than a 6MT. Even with RB's you may not find it necessary to get an LSD with proper tires.

and if you are planning on getting a 6AT... buy a an 07-08. tuning issues on 09-10 with MSD81.

[Sered]

I've been contemplating making the switch to an M3 myself. VTT63Rs are looming, so it keeps me in check.

[135Pats]

Welcome back dude, your M3 build is pretty legendary.

Sadly, 480 to the wheels is not going down on 91 pump. This motor is a big time octane hog, you'll need some sort of additive, be it meth/racegas/corn fuel. Once that is squared away, that power figure is easy for hybrid snails.

Downpipes i'd go AR or BMS, I frankly wasted money on my Macht Schnells and should have just gone w/ Terry's pipes. Intercooler Helix if IAT suppression if your primary goal. But people will fight over "best" until the end of time, so don't expect a firm answer there from us.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by cwarren

welcome back to the n54 dd yeah right lol.....you know you'll race this thing

bms on the down pipes cheap and pretty damn good quality !

ets on fmic

Cool thx...part of the appeal of this car is that mods are fairly inexpensive and good quality. BMS dps and ETS fmic are good and priced right.

Originally Posted by themyst

since you're been around the block, I can tell you 460-480 whp on 91 octane isnt happening. With meth you'll be there though.

also you will see that the 6AT is far less traction challenged than a 6MT. Even with RB's you may not find it necessary to get an LSD with proper tires.

and if you are planning on getting a 6AT... buy a an 07-08. tuning issues on 09-10 with MSD81.

Ok thx for the info bro. Good to still have the old timers here

Had no idea there were tuning challenges on the RBs on the newer n54's. Bummer.

I definitely want an LSD...best mod by far IMHO. My 2010 6AT had a bolted diff so it made the Wavetrac install far more inexpensive. Trying to stay away from a welded diff if at all possible. Not exactly sure but I think the earlier cars has the welded diff.

So what can I expect in terms of power on 91 octane?

I made 412/446 with stockers with just dci, dps, procede and water/meth. I don't want to run water/meth on a daily driver so I was hoping the RB's would give me 460-480 but if not, I will lower my expectations. That said, what range of power can I expect (from a dynojet) with my proposed mods?

Can't believe the stock turbo e85 flex fuel cars are at 450+. That's awesome!

Originally Posted by Sered

I've been contemplating making the switch to an M3 myself. VTT63Rs are looming, so it keeps me in check.

It's an entirely different animal. With the modded 335, you get wheel spin, then you hook up, then you wait patiently for redline. Then you shift with some lag. With the S/C M3, you hook up immediately and acceleration is initially a bit lacking but then very quickly you feel like you've entered a vaccum and all of a sudden you look at your tach and your tires START spinning at 8,000 RPM.

Originally Posted by 135Pats

Welcome back dude, your M3 build is pretty legendary.

Sadly, 480 to the wheels is not going down on 91 pump. This motor is a big time octane hog, you'll need some sort of additive, be it meth/racegas/corn fuel. Once that is squared away, that power figure is easy for hybrid snails.

Downpipes i'd go AR or BMS, I frankly wasted money on my Macht Schnells and should have just gone w/ Terry's pipes. Intercooler Helix if IAT suppression if your primary goal. But people will fight over "best" until the end of time, so don't expect a firm answer there from us.

Thanks And good advice on the dps and fmic. There are a lot of choices and no need to spend top dollar on mods.

I see you also don't think 480 is realistic on 91 octane and I'm curious how much power (on a dynojet) is reasonable to expect?

[buster84]

If you dont want a 2007-2010 n54 you can also get the 335is model that has the n54. After 2010 only the IS models have the n54.

The IS model is pretty sweet and has alot of extra features you will like over the basic 335. You should look into it, if you haven't already.

Here are a few cars for sale to give you an idea of the looks if you havn't seen them yet, but since you were into the m3 scene im sure you seen these around

http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/...6-a50b56ae3897

http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/...6-a50b56ae3897

[Sered]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

It's an entirely different animal. With the modded 335, you get wheel spin, then you hook up, then you wait patiently for redline. Then you shift with some lag. With the S/C M3, you hook up immediately and acceleration is initially a bit lacking but then very quickly you feel like you've entered a vaccum and all of a sudden you look at your tach and your tires START spinning at 8,000 RPM.

That is definitely NOT what I needed to hear.

[ttbmer]

didnt some one posted terry made 534whp with RB turbos on a costumers car. just add a good Diff a gear one, plus suframe bushings.

u said u wanna spend 10k get shivs single turbo, 6500 I think

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by ttbmer

didnt some one posted terry made 534whp with RB turbos on a costumers car. just add a good Diff a gear one, plus suframe bushings.

u said u wanna spend 10k get shivs single turbo, 6500 I think

He plans to daily drive this car, I wouldn't do a single kit. He has another car that makes big power.

[ttbmer]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

He plans to daily drive this car, I wouldn't do a single kit. He has another car that makes big power.

singke turbo tune "down" can be reliable and DD. still make more whp than ESS VT650.

[TwinTuning]

Dude your M3 is perfect

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by buster84

If you dont want a 2007-2010 n54 you can also get the 335is model that has the n54. After 2010 only the IS models have the n54.

The IS model is pretty sweet and has alot of extra features you will like over the basic 335. You should look into it, if you haven't already.

Here are a few cars for sale to give you an idea of the looks if you havn't seen them yet, but since you were into the m3 scene im sure you seen these around

http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/...6-a50b56ae3897

http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/...6-a50b56ae3897

Thanks I love the 335is but after how much I just spent on the M3, a new X5 and the loss I'm going to take on the STi, I want to keep the total cost of my 335i under $40K.

Originally Posted by Sered

That is definitely NOT what I needed to hear.

VTT Stg 3 turbos will make you forget quickly though.

But in the mean time here's a vid of how my M3 sounds (taken from right next to the exhaust so it's a lot louder than in the cabin):

Originally Posted by ttbmer

didnt some one posted terry made 534whp with RB turbos on a costumers car. just add a good Diff a gear one, plus suframe bushings.

u said u wanna spend 10k get shivs single turbo, 6500 I think

Wow 534 is fantastic. My guess is that was made with 100+ octane and/or meth. I'd love the single turbo but I want to keep the cost of all mods under $10K, which will include an LSD, wheels/tires, coils tune, upgraded turbos, intercooler, dps and dci.

Originally Posted by M3_WC

He plans to daily drive this car, I wouldn't do a single kit. He has another car that makes big power.

Yeah I'm hoping a tame RB setup will be rock-solid reliable.

Originally Posted by ttbmer

singke turbo tune "down" can be reliable and DD. still make more whp than ESS VT650.

Big single will definitely make more power than me. Although the DCT transmission of the M3 is worth 50+ HP so I was running right with CaptainInsano at the last Airstrip Attack on his lower-boost ~ 625 RWHP setting. He would have pulled me for sure when Shiv worked his magic and cranked up the boost.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by TwinTuning

Dude your M3 is perfect

Thx

[UltimateDM]

hey man (Adam right?) glad to see you come back. I have seen most of your Airstrip Attack races and your m3 is a beast!! lets see what you do with the n54

[Wedge1967]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

What's up guys. From late 2006 to 2012, I leased two different n54 335's...first was a 6MT e90 TiAG/Saddle and the second was a 6MT e92 Space Gray/Saddle:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=478459

Loved the 335 but I started tracking and attending roll-on acceleration events and wanted a platform that could handle both exceptionally well (335 wasn't doing it for me at the track) so in September of 2012 I picked up an M3 and have done a couple mods:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=861280

Even with the mods I've done on the M3, it is bulletproof. I haven't experienced even one CEL or hiccup. It's amazing. The car has been tracked 6 times and attended 4 roll-on acceleration events (all ballz-out) and the car is just flawless.

But nonetheless, I needed something more practical for daily driving so I picked myself up a 2013 STi. While I enjoy the STi, I'm just itching to get back into an n54 335. So I decided to put the STi up for sale (with all of 5,000 miles on it lol) and begin my 335i search. Not sure if I'm going with an e90 or e92 but it will be 6AT.

Mods will be done all at once as follows:

6AT trans flash
LSD
Coils
19" Wheels/tires
RB Turbos
Catless dps
Intercooler
DCI
Tune

Basically a very similar set up to my last e92 335 but with the exception of running upgraded turbos instead of stock turbos + meth. I'm not going crazy on the car but just want something that will be a fun DD. Fortunately I have a shop close by that can do all the work (MRF Engineering) with confidence that everything will be perfect.

Question for you guys is what brands do you recommend? I've been out of the n54 scene for a while and not sure what will work well and remain cost effective. I just don't want a debate on tunes and both Shiv and Terry (and the guys at Cobb) are friends of mine so I'll decide that one later.

Here's what I was initially thinking:

6AT trans flash: Alpina
LSD: Wavetrack
Coils: KW v2
Wheels: unknown at this time
Tires: Michelin PSS
Turbos: RB (again, don't need to go crazy on this build)
Catless dps: ??
Intercooler: ??
DCI: doesn't really matter

Primary goal is reliability. RWHP goal is 460-480 RWHP (dynojet) on 91 octane pump gas and hopefully close to 500 on a 100 octane race gas tune. Don't want e85 as I don't have any e85 anywhere near me and I don't want to deal with water/meth injection.

Also, is there any other supporting mods I would need such as larger fuel pump/injectors, etc? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

Thanks guys and I look forward to sharing my build and hanging out here again.

Good luck with the build. Hit me up when you want to flash. Just shoot me an email WedgePerformance at Gmail and we can talk... Look forward to seeing some pics of the new car soon.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by 135Pats

Welcome back dude, your M3 build is pretty legendary.

Sadly, 480 to the wheels is not going down on 91 pump. This motor is a big time octane hog, you'll need some sort of additive, be it meth/racegas/corn fuel. Once that is squared away, that power figure is easy for hybrid snails.

Downpipes i'd go AR or BMS, I frankly wasted money on my Macht Schnells and should have just gone w/ Terry's pipes. Intercooler Helix if IAT suppression if your primary goal. But people will fight over "best" until the end of time, so don't expect a firm answer there from us.

460-480 on 91 octane is not happening ... but 460-480 on some blend of corn fuel is easily happening. problem is you need to get your fuel system up to the task.