[ulises 335i]

i just wanted to know from the people who switched over.

any kind of info would be good. dynos, 0-60 times 1/4 miles 1/8th. anything!!!!!

(i dont think it a repost, sorry if it is)

[satinghostrider]

[ulises 335i]

are they any 1/4 mile times with turbo tuner. iv searched here , google ,yahoo and i found nothing

[335iheLLraiseR]

funny how this thread doesn't evoke as much emotion as the Xede Vs PROcede thread.

OP, i have also yet to see a dyno for either.

[tek818]

Ive owned a TT and driven a JBS2 and I must say that the JBS2 absolutely blows the TT out of the water!!

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by AB Tek 818

Ive owned a TT and driven a JBS2 and I must say that the JBS2 absolutely blows the TT out of the water!!

Well I don't know if I'd go that far.
The truth of the matter is, none of the tunes blows the others out of the water with the exception of the PROcede v2.0.
v1.47, JB2, TT, Xede are all within a knats arse of each other.
10 rwhp here or there means squat really.
Again, there can (and IS) that much difference between STOCK 335i's from the factory and that's an accepted range of tolerance.

Then take into account their car be 15+ rwhp difference between two identical PROceded cars and you could get a really strong running 335i with a SSTT and pit it against a weaker running 335i with PROcede v1.47 and the SSTT car could run even with the PROceded car.
OR you could have a really strong running PROceded car against a weaker running JB2 car and the PROceded car could pull away a bit, or vice versa.

So to say one "blows the other out of the water" at this point is stretching it IMHO.
From what I've heard the JB2 has more top end pull than the SSTT but below 4000 rpms, they are probably pretty equal.
The SSTT's advantage is still it's ease of removal.
To many who are only looking for a moderate power increase but love the idea of being able to take the piggyback off in a matter of a minute or two, the SSTT is still the only way to go in that regard.

And from the videos I saw of Walked U's v2.0 car with exhaust, DP's, FMIC literally walking 5-6 CL's on another 335i with exhaust but with v1.47 tells me the v2.0 is the only exception to saying one blows the others away.
Even if you say the DP's and FMIC were good for 2-3 of those CL's the v2.0 should still of pulled 2-3 CL's on the v1.47 car from 60-130 ish.

[sambonator]

Ya I wouldn't say JBS2 blows away SSTT... JBS2 is faster than SSTT, especially at higher RPMs. JBS2 also seems more resistant to heat soak power losses. They're both good products. But nothing can beat the ease of install and removal than the SSTT. It is just dang convenient. But nothing can beat the HP/$ ratio of the JBS2. It is a bargain.

[horsedjump]

I'd go with the JB2 here vs. TT.

[judec]

how can be some tune more resistant to heat soak, when it's caused by the IC? Complete BS

Stop the pissing contests and get some hobby, guys

[oddjob2021]

I actually believe the opposite. I believe the SSTT is faster than the JB2...of course not by much... i have drag slips here: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84102 And if i were to drop my 60' time, to say, 1.8 with a better launch i drop into the 12's...

and there is a thred about it LOL (shoulda searched...) here: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=60-130&page=2 ... post 29 to be exact... there is the 60-130 times for each type of piggyback. =D

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by oddjob2021

I actually believe the opposite. I believe the SSTT is faster than the JB2...of course not by much... i have drag slips here: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84102 And if i were to drop my 60' time, to say, 1.8 with a better launch i drop into the 12's...

and there is a thred about it LOL (shoulda searched...) here: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=60-130&page=2 ... post 29 to be exact... there is the 60-130 times for each type of piggyback. =D

Again, it will be car dependent.
A strong running car with the SSTT might edge out a weaker running car with the JB2.

[tek818]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Well I don't know if I'd go that far.
The truth of the matter is, none of the tunes blows the others out of the water with the exception of the PROcede v2.0.
v1.47, JB2, TT, Xede are all within a knats arse of each other.
10 rwhp here or there means squat really.
Again, there can (and IS) that much difference between STOCK 335i's from the factory and that's an accepted range of tolerance.

Then take into account their car be 15+ rwhp difference between two identical PROceded cars and you could get a really strong running 335i with a SSTT and pit it against a weaker running 335i with PROcede v1.47 and the SSTT car could run even with the PROceded car.
OR you could have a really strong running PROceded car against a weaker running JB2 car and the PROceded car could pull away a bit, or vice versa.

So to say one "blows the other out of the water" at this point is stretching it IMHO.
From what I've heard the JB2 has more top end pull than the SSTT but below 4000 rpms, they are probably pretty equal.
The SSTT's advantage is still it's ease of removal.
To many who are only looking for a moderate power increase but love the idea of being able to take the piggyback off in a matter of a minute or two, the SSTT is still the only way to go in that regard.

And from the videos I saw of Walked U's v2.0 car with exhaust, DP's, FMIC literally walking 5-6 CL's on another 335i with exhaust but with v1.47 tells me the v2.0 is the only exception to saying one blows the others away.
Even if you say the DP's and FMIC were good for 2-3 of those CL's the v2.0 should still of pulled 2-3 CL's on the v1.47 car from 60-130 ish.

Ok Ok... perhaps "blow it out of the water" was a bit of an exaggeration. I obviously have not run the two cars against each other; but my butt dyno was extremely impressed with the JBS2; way more than I ever anticipated.

[OpenFlash]

The only moderately controlled objective testing (same car, same day, same conditions, driver independant) between the SSTT, JBS2 and PROcede v1.47 was done by Mr.5 several weeks back.

Results: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78916

His summary, in his own words:

Procede V1.47 ($1300) .....333 whp and 371 wheel torque
JBStage 2 ($349) .............308 whp and 332 wheel torque
TT ($600) .........................305 whp and 332 wheel torque

Baseline...........................280 whp and 294 wheel torque

The Procede had a gain of 53 whp and 77 wheel torque.
The JB Stage 2 had a gain of 28 whp and 38 wheel torque.
The TT had a gain of 25 whp and 38 wheel torque.

Both the JB and the SSTT run similar boost pressures. Neither retards timing. So output is going to mostly depending on knock resistance. This means that differnent cars, running different gas, with different adaptation values, in different ambient conditions, will have different power output. And this output will vary as conditions change. So it is unlikely that any one of the two will blow any "out of the water" when tested on the same car, running same gas, in same conditions, with same ecu adaptation levels (as Mr. 5s results show).

Regards,
Shiv

[NaViT]

^^^^^ he said it...

[A418t81]

Has a turbo tuner ever trapped 107 or 108? I trapped 106 on 9 psi w/ the JB1. There are other guys on the other boards who have trapped 108 with the JB2. I've never seen an impressive TT trap.

I like mods that correlate their dyno numbers to their track performance. Only one has really done that so far in my eyes.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by A418t81

Has a turbo tuner ever trapped 107 or 108? I trapped 106 on 9 psi w/ the JB1. There are other guys on the other boards who have trapped 108 with the JB2. I've never seen an impressive TT trap.

I like mods that correlate their dyno numbers to their track performance. Only one has really done that so far in my eyes.

There is only 1 customer JBS2 result on dragtimes.com. There are no SSTT results at all. Perhaps a larger sample pool is needed, in both camps, before one can come to reasonable conclusion.

shiv

[Vikingus]

Originally Posted by Brisk

SSTT all the way.

btw expect some real world race results (jb2 vs procede vs sstt) in the next 2 weeks.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=821122

Come and we will have SSTT and JBS2 comperos next week

If you're interested throw a PM my way and I'll keep you updated as to when we leave and what time... it's on Oct 13th.

[oddjob2021]

Originally Posted by A418t81

Has a turbo tuner ever trapped 107 or 108? I trapped 106 on 9 psi w/ the JB1. There are other guys on the other boards who have trapped 108 with the JB2. I've never seen an impressive TT trap.

I like mods that correlate their dyno numbers to their track performance. Only one has really done that so far in my eyes.

look at my post, #10 , i have a link to my drag slips....

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by A418t81

Has a turbo tuner ever trapped 107 or 108? I trapped 106 on 9 psi w/ the JB1. There are other guys on the other boards who have trapped 108 with the JB2. I've never seen an impressive TT trap.

I like mods that correlate their dyno numbers to their track performance. Only one has really done that so far in my eyes.

Yes, actually there have been two "official" track tests on cars with a Turbo Tuner.

Here's one:

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-13300.html
This guy clearly had launching issues with only a 2.2 60' time.

And the other was recently posted on here by "oddjob" where he got
a 13.077 @ 106.9 mph best ET and a 13.2x @ 108.x best trap speed.
Had decent launching with a 2.0x 60' time.
Both cars were on 93 Octane and both I believe are completely stock other than the Turbo Tuner.

Both were done in very cool air.
One states 55 degrees, the second doesn't say but in his post he said it was a very cool day in NY when he made his runs.

Edit: Hey look "oddjob" snuck a response in while i was typing.

[Buschy]

I had all three and jbs2 is my favorite, it feels better. and the statistics are better as far as safe for your car.
AND jbs2 blows the TT away. there is a serious difference.

[A418t81]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Yes, actually there have been two "official" track tests on cars with a Turbo Tuner.

Here's one:

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-13300.html
This guy clearly had launching issues with only a 2.2 60' time.

And the other was recently posted on here by "oddjob" where he got
a 13.077 @ 106.9 mph best ET and a 13.2x @ 108.x best trap speed.
Had decent launching with a 2.0x 60' time.
Both cars were on 93 Octane and both I believe are completely stock other than the Turbo Tuner.

Both were done in very cool air.
One states 55 degrees, the second doesn't say but in his post he said it was a very cool day in NY when he made his runs.

Edit: Hey look "oddjob" snuck a response in while i was typing.

Ah, cool...appreciate it. I got my car in July and so far the coolest weather I've been able to race in has been 85 deg. Excited for some nice cool temps, as our local track is open until the end of Nov.

[sambonator]

Originally Posted by judec

how can be some tune more resistant to heat soak, when it's caused by the IC? Complete BS

Stop the pissing contests and get some hobby, guys

I said "JBS2 ... seems more resistant to heat soak power losses." I did not say either is resistant to heat soak.

But I will say this: richer running engines run cooler than lean running engines.
JBS2 richens fuel/air mixtures along with increasing boost. SSTT does not. Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that JBS2 reduces chances of heat soak better than SSTT.

In addition, the IC (Intercooler) does not cause heat soak. It can get heat soaked along with just about everything inside the engine compartment, but it does not cause it.

This isn't a pissing contest. Tweaking and driving our cars is one of the many hobbies that guys here enjoy.