PROcede V2 switched power on newer cars without the fuse

e.n335 · 10-06-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

We are offering a prize to anyone who finds a good switched power source ( besides the small fuse which new production cars don't have) before us. One that requires no external relay or wire cutting. If we use your suggestion, free v2 upgrade PM your solution to me!

Cheers,
shiv

Hi,

Took me some time today and can provide the solution now. Shiv's criterias are met. Of course, the wire has to be intercepted as we know it from all PROcede wires ( different connector size ).

Power distribution is perfect. Power is switched on when you open the car, no interruption during engine start, power off is when the car falls to sleep some minutes after you shut off the car.

Here is the location ( please excuse the poor picture quality ). It's the red thick wire on the black connector. On this connector there is only one red thick wire. Standing in front of the car the connectors on the picture are located in the rear, left corner of the ECU box.

This is also an excellent power source for datalogging equipment. Some Innovate Mororsport devices have to be powered on some time in advance you start the engine and calibrate in this time ( e.g. DL-32 MAP ). The car-pc will be comfortable with a power source being available for some time after shutting down the engine and no power interruptions once you have to crank the engine multiple times. If you plan to hook on additional devices to this power source, I would recommend to use a relay.

Enjoy the solution !

- Eugen

scalbert · 10-06-2007, 04:26 PM

Did you pop the pin and see if it is the same as the ECU connection? I wonder since I have a set of sockets and pins in the garage which need a home and would made for a clean install.

TIA...

BoostedBMW · 10-06-2007, 04:42 PM

So I guess the only problem is that you need to tap into the wire and that will leave behind a trace, where the older cars with a fuse didn't leave behind anything. Is there any way to tap for power using some type of connector? The only thing that I know of are wire taps, and that's not ideal. In any case, nice work eugen.

fedinand · 10-06-2007, 04:56 PM

I thought Eugen meant that you would extract it and connect it to the procede, via an updated Procede harness for V2 that incorporates that wire - so there would be no cutting or tapping.

BoostedBMW · 10-06-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fedinand

I thought Eugen meant that you would extract it and connect it to the procede, via an updated Procede harness for V2 that incorporates that wire - so there would be no cutting or tapping.

Oh, ok... I must have misunderstood. Thanks.

Riss Racing · 10-06-2007, 05:28 PM

hool97 · 10-06-2007, 05:47 PM

Good one , now check the nominal durrent draw. Also what is actually powered by the wire?

RiXst3r · 10-06-2007, 07:12 PM

how does this meet shiv's criteria if you have to splice or tap the wire?

e.n335 · 10-06-2007, 08:28 PM

You don't have to splice the wire. Just do the same as you do with every wire of the PROcede.

- Eugen

e.n335 · 10-06-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fedinand

I thought Eugen meant that you would extract it and connect it to the procede, via an updated Procede harness for V2 that incorporates that wire - so there would be no cutting or tapping.

+1

However, enhancing the harness ( 1 short wire with 3 connectors ) would be Shiv's job, not mine. The PROcede including its V2 harness is working fine directly connected to this power source.

I will use the power source to drive a relay because I need more devices connected to this kind of switched power. I'm happy I found it

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- Eugen

Noize · 10-06-2007, 09:03 PM

I like the green clip better where they all (orange switched power wires) meet. A small blade or bullet style male connector into the top will fit snugly. I had better luck with the bullet style, as it was a bit longer and more narrow.

No extraction required.

scalbert · 10-06-2007, 09:06 PM

I will try and ask again...

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Originally Posted by scalbert

Did you pop the pin and see if it is the same as the ECU connection? I wonder since I have a set of sockets and pins in the garage which need a home and would made for a clean install.

TIA...

rideelement247 · 10-06-2007, 11:04 PM

How do you know if your ca is "new" and doesn't have the fuse without cracking open the ECU compartment? I don't have my prod. date cus idk how to find it, but i bought the car about 3 - 4 months ago.

e.n335 · 10-06-2007, 11:09 PM

^

This power source is ment for ppl willing to open the ECU box.

- Eugen

rideelement247 · 10-06-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

^

This power source is ment for ppl willing to open the ECU box.

- Eugen

I know. My question was, when I piggy back my car, I dont want to walk out and open the ECU compartment to find out I have no fuse there. How can I tell beforehand is my quesion

tintivilus · 10-06-2007, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rideelement247

I know. My question was, when I piggy back my car, I dont want to walk out and open the ECU compartment to find out I have no fuse there. How can I tell beforehand is my quesion

Just open it up and check? It's not brain surgery.

rideelement247 · 10-06-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tintivilus

Just open it up and check? It's not brain surgery.

but its a PITA

335iheLLraiseR · 10-06-2007, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rideelement247

but its a PITA

not really.....it just seems that way the first time you do it.

doba_s · 10-07-2007, 12:54 AM

Hey Eugen ,
Is it possible to connect Procede ( not V2 ) to the same wire, so you can have switched power even if you don't have V2 yet ? It would help a lot if you can maybe take more pics and do some kind of DIY .
Thank you!

fedinand · 10-07-2007, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rideelement247

I know. My question was, when I piggy back my car, I dont want to walk out and open the ECU compartment to find out I have no fuse there. How can I tell beforehand is my quesion

I think cars built in March of this year and later do not have the fuse.

e.n335 · 10-07-2007, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by doba_s

Hey Eugen ,
Is it possible to connect Procede ( not V2 ) to the same wire, so you can have switched power even if you don't have V2 yet ? It would help a lot if you can maybe take more pics and do some lind of DIY .
Thank you!

Hi,

No, it is not possible to hook up PROcede V1 to this power source. V2 supports to be hooked up to switched power. On V1 you would need a power source which wakes up together with the car's ECU when it does the periodic sensor checks ( every 14-15 minutes ). This new power source does not wake up together with the ECU when the car is shut off.

- Eugen

per · 10-07-2007, 06:36 AM

Hi Eugen Nice work,have you found any place for ground inside the ECU box.
That would make V2 invincible now that we dont need to bypass the boostcontrol anymore.

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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	You don't have to splice the wire. Just do the same as you do with every wire of the PROcede. - Eugen
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Noize Under the radar 41 Rep 840 Posts Drives: FWD in reverse Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In traffic at idle iTrader: (1)	I like the green clip better where they all (orange switched power wires) meet. A small blade or bullet style male connector into the top will fit snugly. I had better luck with the bullet style, as it was a bit longer and more narrow. No extraction required.
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rideelement247 Lieutenant Colonel 54 Rep 1,677 Posts Drives: 08 335i, 67 Camaro SS Join Date: May 2007 Location: South Florida iTrader: (2)	How do you know if your ca is "new" and doesn't have the fuse without cracking open the ECU compartment? I don't have my prod. date cus idk how to find it, but i bought the car about 3 - 4 months ago. __________________ Legal Disclaimer: Anything I or anyone else says about my vehicle on this website(e90post.com or any affiliated or nonaffiliated sites), pertaining to modifications, is only to gain acceptance from my/our peers, and does not actually represent anything actually existing on my car, and thus, cannot be held against me in any issues, i.e. warranty claims, that may arise.
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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	^ This power source is ment for ppl willing to open the ECU box. - Eugen
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per Lieutenant 47 Rep 507 Posts Drives: M3 E92 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sweden Gothenburg iTrader: (0)	Hi Eugen Nice work,have you found any place for ground inside the ECU box. That would make V2 invincible now that we dont need to bypass the boostcontrol anymore.
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