Guess the fine...

Desmondo · 07-25-2013, 02:19 AM

Come on then, let's see who get closest....

1. On holiday and get caught doing 35 in a 30.

2. I sign the form saying it was me driving but this was a mistake as the car was registered in my wife's name so she should have signed the form saying it was me driving.

3. New form is sent out, filled in and returned.

4. Court summons issued for non-disclosure of driver details.

5. We return court paperwork stating we're happy to name the driver if they send the correct forms again.

6. Court date set in Bath, the opposite side of the country to us.

7. I rather naively expect a £200'ish fine and think it's not worth us taking time off work and paying for overnight accommodation.

Received a letter from the court yesterday, take a stab at the final fine.

sheps · 07-25-2013, 02:27 AM

£975 ish.

I seem to remember that's what my employer was fined when I got caught - albeit that was 12+ years ago, so could be closer to £1,100.00 with inflation.

I avoided points though

m@rk · 07-25-2013, 02:41 AM

As the fine will be means based rather than anything to do with the seriousness of the offence (I have been in this situation) then I am guessing at £500 plus a victim surcharge and 5 points

Did the do you just for speeding or did they do you for failing to provide details as well?

If the latter then you have grounds for appeal as you did provide the details as requested which would make this a false conviction

pjs · 07-25-2013, 02:49 AM

£80

nicktyler · 07-25-2013, 04:03 AM

Judging by the justice that gets handed out in this country I would think that you will get a lenghty jail term. The guy in after you that has raped and murdered his own granny will walk home the same day though.

creepy coupe · 07-25-2013, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by nicktyler

Judging by the justice that gets handed out in this country I would think that you will get a lenghty jail term. The guy in after you that has raped and murdered his own granny will walk home the same day though.

Aint that the truth.

willhollin · 07-25-2013, 04:39 AM

Death by buggery at the very least.

creepy coupe · 07-25-2013, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by willhollin

Death by buggery at the very least.

I expect you to apply for a job as Prison Officer Will

doughboy · 07-25-2013, 04:56 AM

You will always go to court where the offence was committed.

AFAIK Avon & Somerset has no fixed cameras since 2011, so must have been a mobile copper?

Summons for non disclosure are issued on a automatic time basis, if you sent it in then you can't actually be done for it, so the offence would still only be speeding, fixed penalty that's all - £80 + 3 points.

35 in a 30 should have been a speed awareness course, but maybe you goosed that by ballsing up the first form?

Phone the court and ask to speak to the clerk. Explain the sequence of events and they will advise you.

TripleBlack · 07-25-2013, 05:24 AM

I'm intrigued...!

Desmondo · 07-25-2013, 05:32 AM

The wife got a £745 fine and 6 points

REALLY was not expecting anything like that, we currently have an appeals form on the way to us.
Once thing I have learnt is that if you're sending off any form like this, make sure it's recorded.

Desmondo · 07-25-2013, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by doughboy

AFAIK Avon & Somerset has no fixed cameras since 2011, so must have been a mobile copper?

Yep, it was.

Quote:

Originally Posted by doughboy

Summons for non disclosure are issued on a automatic time basis, if you sent it in then you can't actually be done for it, so the offence would still only be speeding, fixed penalty that's all - £80 + 3 points.

We sent the corrected form but it seems they didn't receive it so it went straight to court

Quote:

Originally Posted by doughboy

35 in a 30 should have been a speed awareness course, but maybe you goosed that by ballsing up the first form?

I'm guessing I could have still taken the course had the second form arrived.

Kerr · 07-25-2013, 05:41 AM

Ouch. That's harsh.

Hope you get it sorted.

pjs · 07-25-2013, 06:40 AM

Jesus.

My £80 wasn't a piss take. Its what I got fined for the same offence some years ago

zltm089 · 07-25-2013, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicktyler

Judging by the justice that gets handed out in this country I would think that you will get a lenghty jail term. The guy in after you that has raped and murdered his own granny will walk home the same day though.

plus one million!...

The whole system is so fucked!!!

mowflow · 07-25-2013, 07:43 AM

They should bring back the death sentence for criminal scum like you. It's the victims of your crime that I feel sorry for.

nicktyler · 07-25-2013, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mowflow

They should bring back the death sentence for criminal scum like you. It's the victims of your crime that I feel sorry for.

Have you been reading the Daily Mail again?

simmo1985 · 07-25-2013, 10:21 AM

I hope you used KY during the attempted bumming.

Fingers crossed your appeal works out for you. Otherwise you'll need some more KY.

djgandy · 07-25-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by nicktyler

Have you been reading the Daily Mail again?

sarcasm...

doughboy · 07-31-2013, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desmondo

The wife got a £745 fine and 6 points

Holy shit! But what was the offence?, not speeding obviously.

It must have been "Failing to provide details" - MS90 offence code maybe?

That's a bad offence code, treated VERY dimly by insurers, a bit like drink driving, you'll be mega-shafted on insurance with that one.

It should never have happened, you've got caught up in the system and shafted for not shouting quick enough.

Did you take any legal advice - you need to.

Desmondo · 07-31-2013, 06:16 AM

Yep, was failing to provide details even though we tried to on two occasions and offered to do again with the first court letter. We've got an appeal form at the moment but as you say, might be worth taking advice over it.

doughboy · 07-31-2013, 11:11 AM

With all due respect, I think you've boobed a bit.

Writing personal letters is a no no, they just get ignored, they can't work like that.

You were facing a fairly serious criminal charge, you can't just write a nice letter in.

I'd have shit a brick, and as a minimum you should have gone to court with your details, this would have sorted it. What can you expect if you can't be arsed to turn up to your own court hearing?

If you'd got a solicitor before the court date they would have just spoken to the clerk explained the mix up and faxed over your details.

The clerk would have offered this to the magistrate on the day - no case to answer, case dimissed.

Then the speeding issue could have been dealt with properly.

Have you submitted you details yet? If not you are hampering any appeal.

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doughboy Major General 1545 Rep 8,970 Posts Drives: 2018 M2 Comp 6MT Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	You will always go to court where the offence was committed. AFAIK Avon & Somerset has no fixed cameras since 2011, so must have been a mobile copper? Summons for non disclosure are issued on a automatic time basis, if you sent it in then you can't actually be done for it, so the offence would still only be speeding, fixed penalty that's all - £80 + 3 points. 35 in a 30 should have been a speed awareness course, but maybe you goosed that by ballsing up the first form? Phone the court and ask to speak to the clerk. Explain the sequence of events and they will advise you. Last edited by doughboy; 07-25-2013 at 05:04 AM..
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Desmondo Lieutenant 14 Rep 461 Posts Drives: E90 330i M-Sport Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Braintree, Essex iTrader: (0)	The wife got a £745 fine and 6 points REALLY was not expecting anything like that, we currently have an appeals form on the way to us. Once thing I have learnt is that if you're sending off any form like this, make sure it's recorded. __________________
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Desmondo Lieutenant 14 Rep 461 Posts Drives: E90 330i M-Sport Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Braintree, Essex iTrader: (0)	Yep, was failing to provide details even though we tried to on two occasions and offered to do again with the first court letter. We've got an appeal form at the moment but as you say, might be worth taking advice over it. __________________
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doughboy Major General 1545 Rep 8,970 Posts Drives: 2018 M2 Comp 6MT Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	With all due respect, I think you've boobed a bit. Writing personal letters is a no no, they just get ignored, they can't work like that. You were facing a fairly serious criminal charge, you can't just write a nice letter in. I'd have shit a brick, and as a minimum you should have gone to court with your details, this would have sorted it. What can you expect if you can't be arsed to turn up to your own court hearing? If you'd got a solicitor before the court date they would have just spoken to the clerk explained the mix up and faxed over your details. The clerk would have offered this to the magistrate on the day - no case to answer, case dimissed. Then the speeding issue could have been dealt with properly. Have you submitted you details yet? If not you are hampering any appeal.
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