[jhv]

BMWs F30 generation 3 series has entered the Sports Sedan marketplace with many new competitors. So the guys put the 6 cylinder 335i against the two underdogs of the segment, the Cadillac ATS and the new Lexus IS 350. Can this BMW continue to rule the Sports Sedan world?

This is Part 1 of 3.
Look for the Cadillac ATS on Thursday, July 18th
Look for the Lexus IS 350 on Thursday, July 25th

[bmrm396]

this is great but y aren't reviewers pinning the msport against other sport model competition? does that just make all too much sense?

[normandy7]

Get ready for the Viggo Mortensen rant

[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

this is great but y aren't reviewers pinning the msport against other sport model competition? does that just make all too much sense?

The Msport has no differentiation to the Sport other than cosmetics and brake pads. So there's no reason other then liking the looks better that the M-sport should be the "Better" car.

Would be interesting to know if their car had the DHP or not.

[Agamemnon]

Don't forget about whether it had VSS or not. Don't really know what these reviewers are talking about. I find the car handles extremely well and I love the steering. I think that these reviews just want something to talk about. Drove an IS350 - yucky thing. Cadillac ATS - here today - gone tomorrow - flavour of the day.

[jtuds]

Originally Posted by Cyberdemon

The Msport has no differentiation to the Sport other than cosmetics and brake pads. So there's no reason other then liking the looks better that the M-sport should be the "Better" car.

Would be interesting to know if their car had the DHP or not.

So the extra 10mm lower that the M sport gives is not due to different springs and the Adaptive M Suspension makes no difference? And Variable Sport Steering cost more but is identical to the normal steering in a sport line?

Come on man...be informed.

[jtuds]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Drove an IS350 - yucky thing. Cadillac ATS - here today - gone tomorrow - flavour of the day.

You drove the new IS? How was it?

And you're being pretty presumptuous about the ATS...

[Agamemnon]

The new IS is not that much different from the outgoing one. It just has more gee whiz factor - really appeals to the young Asian demographic where I live. The F package has an interesting instrument package. The engine is the same and kind of lame. And it will date because it is weird looking - my opinion - probably shared by many on this forum.

And I don't have to explain myself about the Cadillac. It is General Motors - enough said!

[J Tiberius]

Originally Posted by jtuds

So the extra 10mm lower that the M sport gives is not due to different springs and the Adaptive M Suspension makes no difference? And Variable Sport Steering cost more but is identical to the normal steering in a sport line?

Come on man...be informed.

In the States, the RWD Sport Line has the same 10mm lower suspension as the M Sport. You Canadians have to spend extra for the sport suspension on the Sport Line. Cyberdemon is correct.

[KevRyd]

Sport and MSport share the same suspension, Adaptive Suspension and VSS are options.

Come on man......Be informed!

I like how the review is called Daily Driver but they slam the BMW for not being a track car! None of these cars are track cars! With Adaptive Suspension and VSS, its not even close. Even without the extra options the car is amazing and I would buy it just for the power.

Kevin

Originally Posted by jtuds

So the extra 10mm lower that the M sport gives is not due to different springs and the Adaptive M Suspension makes no difference? And Variable Sport Steering cost more but is identical to the normal steering in a sport line?

Come on man...be informed.

[verbs]

Originally Posted by Cyberdemon

The Msport has no differentiation to the Sport other than cosmetics and brake pads. So there's no reason other then liking the looks better that the M-sport should be the "Better" car.

Would be interesting to know if their car had the DHP or not.

US Msports get better cooling than the sport line. Come on man, be informed.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by verbs

US Msports get better cooling than the sport line. Come on man, be informed.

The differentiation has come in terms of track numbers. Both 328i and the 335i msports have put up the best numbers, unmatched by any sport line. Granted different driver different tracks but until the sport line tracks better than msports, I am hesitant to believe its all the same.

[ATX78703]

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

The new IS is not that much different from the outgoing one. It just has more gee whiz factor - really appeals to the young Asian demographic where I live. The F package has an interesting instrument package. The engine is the same and kind of lame. And it will date because it is weird looking - my opinion - probably shared by many on this forum.

And I don't have to explain myself about the Cadillac. It is General Motors - enough said!

The GM product line post-govt bailout is making a furious comeback and is definitely prepared to take it to Toyota / VAG over the next few years.

[drob23]

Lot of people here lacking information

[64-bit]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

The new IS is not that much different from the outgoing one. It just has more gee whiz factor - really appeals to the young Asian demographic where I live. The F package has an interesting instrument package. The engine is the same and kind of lame. And it will date because it is weird looking - my opinion - probably shared by many on this forum.

And I don't have to explain myself about the Cadillac. It is General Motors - enough said!

I had a 2010 IS250, brand new, traded for a honda Oddysey after a year, I was unable to live with weak engine, and now they just moved thta very engine to the new body, I will never buy another one, ever

[64-bit]

Originally Posted by verbs

US Msports get better cooling than the sport line. Come on man, be informed.

The M Sport gets the cool EBII, come one man... Be informed :-)

[300hp]

Originally Posted by 64-bit

I had a 2010 IS250, brand new, traded for a honda Oddysey after a year, I was unable to live with weak engine, and now they just moved thta very engine to the new body, I will never buy another one, ever

I had a 2007 IS250. What a piece of **** that thing was. I traded it in for a 2008 G35 after less than 2 years.

[drob23]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Don't forget about whether it had VSS or not. Don't really know what these reviewers are talking about. I find the car handles extremely well and I love the steering. I think that these reviews just want something to talk about. Drove an IS350 - yucky thing. Cadillac ATS - here today - gone tomorrow - flavour of the day.

Have you driven the new ATS? I personally haven't, but I wouldn't judge it until having some cockpit time. They designed it to the portions of the E46 and benchmarked/tuned it as such. I think Lexus did something similar with their new IS development.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by drob23

Have you driven the new ATS? I personally haven't, but I wouldn't judge it until having some cockpit time. They designed it to the portions of the E46 and benchmarked/tuned it as such. I think Lexus did something similar with their new IS development.

I think you are right we can't judge before we drive these cars. It's a gamble they took with tuning the car to the E46 specs. The ATS looks nicer though and I would not say its looks are polarizing. I would not say the same about the IS.

[dinonz]

Originally Posted by 300hp

The differentiation has come in terms of track numbers. Both 328i and the 335i msports have put up the best numbers, unmatched by any sport line. Granted different driver different tracks but until the sport line tracks better than msports, I am hesitant to believe its all the same.

Track numbers will be better on the MSport because of the brake pads (different to the Sport, which are the same as the other lines/no line). So MSport can brake later, ergo better times.

But go to realoem.com and look at suspension part numbers etc. They are the same for Sport vs MSport except the anti-roll bars, which I think are 1mm bigger in the MSport.

[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by jtuds

So the extra 10mm lower that the M sport gives is not due to different springs and the Adaptive M Suspension makes no difference? And Variable Sport Steering cost more but is identical to the normal steering in a sport line?

Come on man...be informed.

LOL learn how the US specs their cars before kicking knowledge...if it was a Canadian car review I'd take that back, but it wasn't.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by dinonz

Track numbers will be better on the MSport because of the brake pads (different to the Sport, which are the same as the other lines/no line). So MSport can brake later, ergo better times.

But go to realoem.com and look at suspension part numbers etc. They are the same for Sport vs MSport except the anti-roll bars, which I think are 1mm bigger in the MSport.

All I am saying is its not all the same. Msport has different parts that I think we all know about and the track numbers are not the same, msport getting the better results. Therefore this line of its all cosmetic has to change since we now all have the data. That's the good thing about this place we all learn from each other and the urban myths are corrected