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      06-14-2012, 10:54 PM   #1
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M-sport suspension vs sport line suspension

I believe this may have been brought up before.

I also did a little research regarding the different name for the same suspension, and found that this was also the case with the E90.
The E90 also have a Msport pkg, and it listed the suspension as
"Msport suspension" in some marketing attempt to give an appearance that there is something unique to the sport suspension in the Msport pkg, compared to the regular "sport suspension" option.

BMW is doing the same thing for the F30.
The Msport names the sport suspension differently to the sport suspension in the sport line. However, the suspensions are the SAME, at least from all sources I've been able to find.

I don't get it. Why do this?
The Msport is likely to be ordered by BMW enthusiasts who likely already know about the suspension.

Anyway, has anyone found anything anywhere of REAL information that says that the Msport is different to the sport line sport suspension?
I haven't found anything.

The other misleading information from BWM regarding the Msport is regarding the MT. By the wording it implies that the MT has a "short shifter". Most enthusiasts know a short shifter is something that actually shortens the throw of the lever. Well not with BMW's Msport.
The MT in the Msport simply gets a shorter shift lever, the throw is the same. That's some more marketing BS.
BTW, this was also the case with the E90 Msport option. It too implied a "short shifter", when in fact it was just a short shift lever.
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They're definitely the same suspension. I don't remember the official BMW material/statements well enough to judge how unclear it is, or whether they could be trying to potentially mislead people.
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      06-15-2012, 01:17 AM   #3
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Yeah the 2013 order guide has M sport suspension #704 standard with sport or M.
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      06-15-2012, 02:12 AM   #4
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Here in Australia, the F30 suspension issue is clear.
You buy the Sport line and you still have to pay additional for either the M-Sport suspension OR the Adaptive suspension.

You buy the M-Sport and the M-Sport suspension is included in the cost.
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On teh E90 there were actually 3 Suspensions

1)Standard
2)Sport suspension (Option SA226)
3)M Sport Suspension (Option SA704)

With the E90LCI they dropped the SA226 option
For non-Adaptive the F30 only has the SA704 option from the factory with even lower M Performance suspension coming as a retrofit around September
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      06-15-2012, 06:28 AM   #6
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For non-Adaptive the F30 only has the SA704 option from the factory with even lower M Performance suspension coming as a retrofit around September
I think the retrofit M Performance suspension only consists of a lowered spring kit.
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      06-15-2012, 12:34 PM   #7
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On teh E90 there were actually 3 Suspensions

1)Standard
2)Sport suspension (Option SA226)
3)M Sport Suspension (Option SA704)

With the E90LCI they dropped the SA226 option
For non-Adaptive the F30 only has the SA704 option from the factory with even lower M Performance suspension coming as a retrofit around September
We never got the SA226 suspension in the US I'm assuming because my 08 Pre-LCI has the SA704 suspension.
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On teh E90 there were actually 3 Suspensions

1)Standard
2)Sport suspension (Option SA226)
3)M Sport Suspension (Option SA704)

With the E90LCI they dropped the SA226 option
For non-Adaptive the F30 only has the SA704 option from the factory with even lower M Performance suspension coming as a retrofit around September
tru BUT, in the US sport suspension and Msport were the same thing ... we didnt get the additional lowered specs and handling that the Euro (and maybe some other countries) got when they ordered Msport suspension.

its always been one of the things that really pisses me off about BMW and its treatment of the US market thinking were just fat and stupid ... however, in their defense, for the most part theyre right unfortunately


EDIT: oops sorry, just saw this mentioned right above
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I think the retrofit M Performance suspension only consists of a lowered spring kit.
i think the most recent one they came out with is more than just springs ...
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      06-18-2012, 11:50 PM   #10
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I think the retrofit M Performance suspension only consists of a lowered spring kit.
Interesting... what is your source?
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      06-19-2012, 01:01 PM   #11
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It might be a package like this one for the e92 for $1700. I hope they come out with one for the adaptive M.

http://www.shopbmwusa.com/ProductDet...=846&perf=true
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if you download the catalog from this page http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=686594 and read the description of the suspension, it sounds like more than just springs ... but thats a wishy washy assumption
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Sounds to me more like differences in their offerings, rather than trying to fool anyone. From what I'm seeing here, the US gets an upgraded m sport suspension in the sport line, and in the past, sounds like we had an upgraded suspension as the default in the sport, again even without m sport.

I don't see the issue. There are part numbers to easily identify these things, no excuse for being fooled by simple semantics. I highly doubt BMW is trying to swindle a few extra m sport sales with a cheap marketing trick. More likely just an oversight, neglected to update marketing materials for the difference in certain countries. A dumb mistake, sure. Are they confusing with their option presentation sometimes (often..)? Sure. Conspiracy? Doubtful.

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We never got the SA226 suspension in the US I'm assuming because my 08 Pre-LCI has the SA704 suspension.
USA E90 up to end February 2007 got SA226. From March 2007 they got SA704
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tru BUT, in the US sport suspension and Msport were the same thing ... we didnt get the additional lowered specs and handling that the Euro (and maybe some other countries) got when they ordered Msport suspension.
USA E90 up to end February 2007 got SA226. From March 2007 they got SA704
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I believe this may have been brought up before.

I also did a little research regarding the different name for the same suspension, and found that this was also the case with the E90.
The E90 also have a Msport pkg, and it listed the suspension as
"Msport suspension" in some marketing attempt to give an appearance that there is something unique to the sport suspension in the Msport pkg, compared to the regular "sport suspension" option.

BMW is doing the same thing for the F30.
The Msport names the sport suspension differently to the sport suspension in the sport line. However, the suspensions are the SAME, at least from all sources I've been able to find.

I don't get it. Why do this?
The Msport is likely to be ordered by BMW enthusiasts who likely already know about the suspension.

Anyway, has anyone found anything anywhere of REAL information that says that the Msport is different to the sport line sport suspension?
I haven't found anything.

The other misleading information from BWM regarding the Msport is regarding the MT. By the wording it implies that the MT has a "short shifter". Most enthusiasts know a short shifter is something that actually shortens the throw of the lever. Well not with BMW's Msport.
The MT in the Msport simply gets a shorter shift lever, the throw is the same. That's some more marketing BS.
BTW, this was also the case with the E90 Msport option. It too implied a "short shifter", when in fact it was just a short shift lever.
perhaps thats in the case of the US market.In the UK however,M sport suspension is an option in the Sportline,infact in all lines.
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perhaps thats in the case of the US market.In the UK however,M sport suspension is an option in the Sportline,infact in all lines.
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Holy thread from last year resurrection Batman!

Yes, standard and optional items are different in different markets.
As I live in the US and most members here are in the US, I was speaking of the early marketing speak from BMW.

No offense intended to non US members, and perhaps I should have put
"In the US market" to make it clearer.

The basic issue hasn't changed though, optional or standard, the
Sport line "sport" suspension is the same as the Msport line "Msport" suspension. That's what I was getting at last year, IIRC.

I ended up getting the DH pkg with the M adaptive setup, so my suspension is different than the sport/Msport.
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It's the same suspension, unless you do what I did and order the Adaptive M Suspension with is a monster in the turns and lower the car 10mm compared to the stock height.
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It's the same suspension, unless you do what I did and order the Adaptive M Suspension with is a monster in the turns and lower the car 10mm compared to the stock height.
Actually, the sport suspension lowers the car by 10mm from stock.
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It's the same suspension, unless you do what I did and order the Adaptive M Suspension with is a monster in the turns and lower the car 10mm compared to the stock height.
Thanks for bumping up a thread made more than a year ago. And no, the Adaptive M suspension does not lower the car compared to the passive sport suspension.
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In South Africa you have the standard suspension.
Then you have M-Sport/Sport suspension which lowers the car by 10mm and is firmer than the standard suspension.
Then you have the Adaptive M-Sport/Sport suspension which lowers the car by 10mm but the firmness of the suspension can be altered.

Please note that this can vary from country to country.
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