[SW335]

Please no flames to newb.

I've read a ton of posts about shiv's product and the first generation and AA and other products. What I don't yet grasp is the "foundation" for the products. Are there two "generic" piggybacks that form the basis for these products? If so, what are the tuners doing, are they programming these for our 335's specifically (or generally, as cars vary) and then hooking them up? Is the Procede a "faster" processor? controls more variables?

still have 500 miles, staying under 4500 rpm, so just browsing.

TIA

[SfValley335i]

Procede supposedly can do more than the Xede because it has more inputs/outputs. So far both Xede and Procede are pretty much equal in power and functions. Procede makes promises but AA xede only informs us once the update is completed and 100% tested etc.

Procede comes with a error code reader total cost is 1360?
AA xede is 1200 and comes with a map switcher which can be used to switch between FULL POWER and stock mode.

Procede doesnt have a "faster" processor. What Vishnu and AA do is get these black boxes and configure them (create maps) for the 335 motor. The maps both tuners create are generic tunes thus each motor reacts to the 'piggyback' differently some gain ~5-10whp/wtq more or less.

Id go with the AA xede because it saves you a little money for other mods. They also give you the map switcher and their great guys. Always picking up their phones and responding promptly to emails. Plus theres no wait for their product, I'm sure you've heard the stories about the procede waits.

Either way both products are great goodluck with your choice. I'd put my money on AA Xede. (They've been tuning bmw's for ages unlike Vishnu)

[Sparky66]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

Procede supposedly can do more than the Xede because it has more inputs/outputs. So far both Xede and Procede are pretty much equal in power and functions. Procede makes promises but AA xede only informs us once the update is completed and 100% tested etc.

PROcede has delivered on it's promises and will do again (no doubt) favourably against Xede when V2. upgrade is released very soon.

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

Procede comes with a error code reader total cost is 1360?
AA xede is 1200 and comes with a map switcher which can be used to switch between FULL POWER and stock mode.

PROcede will utilise the power switch when it becomes a priority. For now we utilise that switch called the gas pedal

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

Procede doesnt have a "faster" processor. What Vishnu and AA do is get these black boxes and configure them (create maps) for the 335 motor. The maps both tuners create are generic tunes thus each motor reacts to the 'piggyback' differently some gain ~5-10whp/wtq more or less.

Shiv was the developer of the Xede system but then recognised a natural technological progression and advantage to a more advanced system in the PROcede for future integration. These two opposing units share similar looking cases but that's where similarities stop as they are wired differently and not identical or "generic" as you seem to imply !
Also PROcede has 4 digital inputs and 4 digital outputs for future development of :
VANOS control, Speed limiter defeat, Wastegate control, Launch Control..etc
Xede has 1 digital input and 2 digital outputs. Pretty limited I'd say.

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

Id go with the AA xede because it saves you a little money for other mods. They also give you the map switcher and their great guys. Always picking up their phones and responding promptly to emails. Plus theres no wait for their product, I'm sure you've heard the stories about the procede waits.

Shiv's presence on these forums is quite outstanding for a developer of this product and their improved email system to answer any queries on the Vishnu Tuning site is excellent. Also if demand outstrips supply, what it tells me is that they are selling PROcede's faster than they keep them on the shelves. Their production and supply is improving and isn't as bad as some chest beating impatient people will have you believe. I live in Australia and all the guys that have ordered them, shipped surprisingly quick.

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

Either way both products are great goodluck with your choice. I'd put my money on AA Xede. (They've been tuning bmw's for ages unlike Vishnu)

Q. How many Turbo motors has BMW produced in the last 20 years?
A. Zero

Vishnu has great experience in tuning turbocharged motors from makes like WRX's, EVO's, Porsche and now the 335i. AA knows no more in tuning this BMW motor as Vishnutuning. Pretty level playing field I'd think, don't you ??

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by Sparky66

Q. How many Turbo motors has BMW produced in the last 20 years?
A. Zero

Vishnu has great experience in tuning turbocharged motors from makes like WRX's, EVO's, Porsche and now the 335i. AA knows no more in tuning this BMW motor as Vishnutuning. Pretty level playing field I'd think, don't you ??

Yes!

And remember that AA didnt appear here until Shiv quit using the Xede and went instead with a better product in the PROcede(Haltech whatever).

[Sleepr335]

Originally Posted by Sparky66

Q. How many Turbo motors has BMW produced in the last 20 years?
A. Zero

True. However, this is the reason God created Active Autowerke.:rocks:

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by Sleepr335

True. However, this is the reason God created Active Autowerke.:rocks:

Ah another fan boy

[e.n335]

AA Xede customers like the brand. PROcede customers like the product.

[Ninjaneer]

Originally Posted by eugen.niederreiter

AA Xede customers like the brand. PROcede customers like the product.

Ouch

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by eugen.niederreiter

AA Xede customers like the brand. PROcede customers like the product.

Well said.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by eugen.niederreiter

AA Xede customers like the brand. PROcede customers like the product.

[Sleepr335]

I don't know why people try to take away from Active Autowerke. Maybe someone can show me another tuner that has more experience with Turbo Charged BMW's.

[scottp999]

This town is big enough for both products.

I bought PROceed and I am very happy with it. If I lived in FL I would go with AA just to have the customer service close by. I live nowhere near either company and got sold on PROceed by this forum. I think you will be happy either way, but research for a couple of weeks before you decide.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Sleepr335

I don't know why people try to take away from Active Autowerke. Maybe someone can show me another tuner that has more experience with Turbo Charged BMW's.

You are half correct. AA probably has the most experience "turbocharging" N/A BMW's (i.e. adding a 3rd party F/I turbo setup to a N/A BMW engine). Until now, there hasn't been an F/I twin turbo BMW, and the fact is that AA actually has less experience with the 335i F/I tt than Shiv @ Vishnu Tuning.

Shiv began his 335i tuning on 9/1/06, the first day the 335i arrived at the dealers when he bought one for himself (he began his tuning with the XEDE box, and then switched over to the PROcede box in ~ March, '07). AKAIK, AA began their 335i tuning when Shiv dropped the XEDE (for the PROcede) and AA, RD Sport, and a couple other tuners picked up the XEDE for tuning and distribution. In addition, Shiv had been working with the XEDE piggyback and tuning F/I Mistu EVOs and Subie Sti's for the past 4 years. He just adapted the piggyback computer and tuning specifically for the BMW 335i and now the 535i and the Porsche 911 Turbo.

[musc]

Not another PROcede vs AA Xede debate

[e.n335]

Don't forget the RDsport Xede ...

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by catm3

Not another PROcede vs AA Xede debate

I agree that's the last thing on my list of topics worth discussing here, but I wish ppl would check their facts before posting.

[SW335]

I was not looking for a debate thread, but rather to understand the difference between the piggyback systems. it seems to me that based on what i've read in this thread, the difference is greater flexibility for future tuning variables in ths Procede b/c it can control more systems than a xede.

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by SethW

I was not looking for a debate thread, but rather to understand the difference between the piggyback systems. it seems to me that based on what i've read in this thread, the difference is greater flexibility for future tuning variables in ths Procede b/c it can control more systems than a xede.

You won't be wrong with the AA Xede or Vishnu PROcede. There have been a lot of discussions on this forum, which one is the better choice. Elaborate it, according to your needs.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by SethW

Please no flames to newb.

I've read a ton of posts about shiv's product and the first generation and AA and other products. What I don't yet grasp is the "foundation" for the products. Are there two "generic" piggybacks that form the basis for these products? If so, what are the tuners doing, are they programming these for our 335's specifically (or generally, as cars vary) and then hooking them up? Is the Procede a "faster" processor? controls more variables?

still have 500 miles, staying under 4500 rpm, so just browsing.

TIA

Vishnu, AA, RD Sport, etc buy hardware/software from Chip Torque or Haltech and then connect and tune them for the 335.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Terry335

Vishnu, AA, RD Sport, etc buy hardware/software from Chip Torque or Haltech and then connect and tune them for the 335.

Incorrect.

shiv

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Incorrect.

shiv

Sorry, looks like I made a mistake.

AA, RD Sport, etc buy hardware/software from Chip Torque or Haltech and then connect and tune them for the 335. Vishnu buys hardware/software from Chip Torque or Haltech and then goes around telling his customers he designed the hardware/software himself.

[Jaws]

Originally Posted by Terry335

Sorry, looks like I made a mistake.

AA, RD Sport, etc buy hardware/software from Chip Torque or Haltech and then connect and tune them for the 335. Vishnu buys hardware/software from Chip Torque or Haltech and then goes around telling his customers he designed the hardware/software himself.

This thread is going downhill. Let the mud tossing begin.