Damn....too hot.....too hot

Neema · 06-16-2007, 10:08 PM

My car runs up to 260 on hot days and its normal operating temp is aroun 240. Obviously this isnt good, I need to start getting serious with BMWNA about that oil cooler that I dont have. Becuase those temps are too high.

zenmaster · 06-16-2007, 10:16 PM

Have you had any problems or do you anticipate any?

vase330 · 06-16-2007, 10:43 PM

By all means get the cooler as you are supposed to have it. But let me put you at ease, I have oil cooler and the normal temps seem to be 240-250 range, so not really sure you have anything to worry about. Have you gone into limp mode? The car is supposed to do so if it gets unsafely hot.

sflgator · 06-16-2007, 10:44 PM

260 degrees F isn't really that hot for the 335i...these F/I cars run much hotter than N/A cars. My car normally runs between 240-260 degrees F (and it's never been above 265 degrees F); more often than not, it's running around 250-255 degrees F. I don't have the oil cooler either. No worries. I think when you get above 265 degrees F, then you may be getting too hot. It is the summer...just keep an eye on it.

Neema · 06-16-2007, 11:56 PM

For sure, thanks guys. I do want the oil cooler, however, I really dont want to have to go throught the fights I know that Im going to have to put up with my dealer. I went there a few months ago and told them about it and told them that BMWNA said that it does need to be installed, and they just told me that they've never heard anything about it and that BMW would have to have a kit available for the install because its not simple. I also dont want to give the car up for a few days or however long its going to take them. But I will eventually, soon, have them do it......though it wont be easy convincing them. Im glad to know that other people's temps are around the same.

kujo · 06-17-2007, 12:07 AM

they're not really fighting it anymore.
Just tell your Service Mgr that you want it.

260 is nothing, as they said.

Basically, anything is safe, as long as it doesn't go into Limp Mode.

My car, with Oil cooler retrofit, the other day in Valencia, with 100deg temps hit about 260 and that's it.

With out it, driving it moderately hard, it would have hit limp mode for sure.

Go Get IT

jonerik26 · 06-17-2007, 12:17 AM

i have an oil cooler and there's days where i've hit 260 as well........

sambonator · 06-17-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Boost_Nation

...I do want the oil cooler, however, I really dont want to have to go throught the fights I know that Im going to have to put up with my dealer...

No fighting needed. Just call BMWNA customer service and tell them you need the oil cooler. They'll have someone in New Jersey call you back. They'll ask you which dealer you want the work done at. They will then email/fax you the disclaimer to fax back to them. Soon the dealer will call you to schedule to get your car in. My dealer had a bunch of cooler kits in stock already for retrofit.

:rocks:

Neema · 06-17-2007, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sambonator

No fighting needed. Just call BMWNA customer service and tell them you need the oil cooler. They'll have someone in New Jersey call you back. They'll ask you which dealer you want the work done at. They will then email/fax you the disclaimer to fax back to them. Soon the dealer will call you to schedule to get your car in. My dealer had a bunch of cooler kits in stock already for retrofit.

:rocks:

Hmmm.......nice, I noticed your in southern CA as well, what dealer did your retro fit?

NPDAN · 06-17-2007, 01:30 AM

My car runs 240 - 250 on average... i have the oil cooler but I also have the PROcede. I does hit the 260 mark though if im running it hard..

Neema · 06-17-2007, 01:33 AM

Well guys........keep in mind that the only reason im getting the idea that I dont have the oil cooler is based on that super old ass thread about how you should be able to see the oil cooler radiator through one of your lower air dams..........So if there are other ways to find out, or if thats not how your supposed to know, then I could have it and not know it.

SinCity89 · 06-17-2007, 01:38 AM

I just picked up my car Monday with oil cooler with temp around 110 here in Vegas and I am staying right around 240.

Tuned335i · 06-17-2007, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SinCity89

I just picked up my car Monday with oil cooler with temp around 110 here in Vegas and I am staying right around 240.

I have a sport package car with step and temps have been averaging 240, not seen above 250, and I'm not going the "gentle" break-in route... I have the cooler. Fastest way to see if someone has the cooler is to turn the steering wheel to the left lock and look in front of the passenger side front tire. If the plastic vent has a silver radiator in front of it, bingo, you have a cooler...

Had the cooler since delivery in late May, so I don't know what the temps would be without it...

zenmaster · 06-17-2007, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sambonator

No fighting needed. Just call BMWNA customer service and tell them you need the oil cooler. They'll have someone in New Jersey call you back. They'll ask you which dealer you want the work done at. They will then email/fax you the disclaimer to fax back to them. Soon the dealer will call you to schedule to get your car in. My dealer had a bunch of cooler kits in stock already for retrofit.

Are they also installing these for free on cars without the sports package?

NPDAN · 06-17-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Boost_Nation

Well guys........keep in mind that the only reason im getting the idea that I dont have the oil cooler is based on that super old ass thread about how you should be able to see the oil cooler radiator through one of your lower air dams..........So if there are other ways to find out, or if thats not how your supposed to know, then I could have it and not know it.

In front of the front right tire, you will see this rediator lookin thing if you have the cooler. If you dont have it, it will either be a blank or solid plastic..

Ninjaneer · 06-17-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sambonator

No fighting needed. Just call BMWNA customer service and tell them you need the oil cooler. They'll have someone in New Jersey call you back. They'll ask you which dealer you want the work done at. They will then email/fax you the disclaimer to fax back to them. Soon the dealer will call you to schedule to get your car in. My dealer had a bunch of cooler kits in stock already for retrofit.

:rocks:

Say my dealer doesn't have any in stock, how long would it take them to get it once I got the process started? My free oil change is coming up in about ~3K miles, so it would be nice to get all the work done in one visit if possible. I plan on having them upgrade Progman too since mine suffers from that CD skipping issue not staying on the last track etc.

Ruff Rider · 06-17-2007, 12:55 PM

I started my oil cooler retro fit April 17 and my oil cooler is going in on June 25th at 7am. It would of been a week earlier but I was on vacation when my dealer called and said all parts had arrived. My 335i AT has hit 290-295 twice. Normal driving I'M at 260-270.

Park2670 · 06-17-2007, 03:33 PM

My car usually stays around 240 while driving normally. I have seen much higher temps while driving around the track however. As long as your car isnt overheating, I wouldnt worry about it. My car is a manual with the cooler from the factory.

jon@themshop · 06-17-2007, 06:35 PM

Oh man.. I gotta story for you guys. A buddy of mine works as a tech at the local BMW Center. That day they were authorized to install oil cooler retrofit kits on two 335i's. His co-worker started to drain the oil and what came out was oil that he described as a "chocolate milkshake" color and texture. The 335i remained in the shop for a couple of weeks I think and the latest update I got was that the engine was replaced. The vehicle that the engine was replaced had no complaints and was only coming in for the oil cooler retrofit so I am not sure if coolant got mixed with the oil or the oil itself changes properties due to heat.

sflgator · 06-17-2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jon@themshop

Oh man.. I gotta story for you guys. A buddy of mine works as a tech at the local BMW Center. That day they were authorized to install oil cooler retrofit kits on two 335i's. His co-worker started to drain the oil and what came out was oil that he described as a "chocolate milkshake" color and texture. The 335i remained in the shop for a couple of weeks I think and the latest update I got was that the engine was replaced. The vehicle that the engine was replaced had no complaints and was only coming in for the oil cooler retrofit so I am not sure if coolant got mixed with the oil or the oil itself changes properties due to heat.

Maybe BMW should rethink their "maintenance program" to include normal oil & filter change intervals, as opposed to whatever the car's computer says or 12 months.

My car currently has 11k mi. and my car's computer says it's due for an oil/filter change in 8k more mi.

Yes, I know it's synthetic oil and do a lot of hwy. driving, but still...19k mi. between oil & filter changes...wtf?

Neema · 06-17-2007, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sflgator

Maybe BMW should rethink their "maintenance program" to include normal oil & filter change intervals, as opposed to whatever the car's computer says or 12 months.

My car currently has 11k mi. and my car's computer says it's due for an oil/filter change in 8k more mi.

Yes, I know it's synthetic oil and do a lot of hwy. driving, but still...19k mi. between oil & filter changes...wtf?

Yea I agree, thats why I do my own oil changes every 4k miles.

sambonator · 06-18-2007, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Boost_Nation

Hmmm.......nice, I noticed your in southern CA as well, what dealer did your retro fit?

Sterling

06-16-2007, 10:08 PM	#1
Neema Major General 788 Rep 7,246 Posts Drives: a few BMWs Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SoCal iTrader: (12)	Damn....too hot.....too hot My car runs up to 260 on hot days and its normal operating temp is aroun 240. Obviously this isnt good, I need to start getting serious with BMWNA about that oil cooler that I dont have. Becuase those temps are too high. __________________ LTMW Widebody+1M front bumper+Slek CF Lip\|M3 Hood\|StopTech BBK\|M-Sport Rear Bumper+DD CF Diffuser\|Custom Recaro Seats\|KW V2\|BavX LS3\|M3 Side Skirts+Custom CF Lip\|BBS CHR 19x10.5+BBS Lugs\|LCI Taillights\|RD Sport Anti-Sway Bars\|GIAC S2\|ER Intercooler+CF Shroud+Charge Pipe\|Tial BOV\|Injen Intake\|MS downpipes\|Custom Exhaust\|BMS Oil Catch Can\|M3 DCT wheel+TiD CF Paddles\|BMW CF Trunk Spoiler\|Aluminum Pedals
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vase330 Colonel 102 Rep 2,760 Posts Drives: 19 E63S; 15.5 RangeRover ATB Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Arlington, Va iTrader: (1)	I think you have nothing to worry about those temps By all means get the cooler as you are supposed to have it. But let me put you at ease, I have oil cooler and the normal temps seem to be 240-250 range, so not really sure you have anything to worry about. Have you gone into limp mode? The car is supposed to do so if it gets unsafely hot. __________________ E92 335 \| Space Gray \| Saddle Brown Dakota \| Dark Burl Trim \| ZPP \| ZSP \| AT \| Idrive \| 6FL \| FBO \| Dinan CAI \| Quaife LSD \| STG3 PROCede.
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sflgator Major General 148 Rep 5,389 Posts Drives: '09 MB C63 AMG & '08 MB GL450 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: U.S. iTrader: (1)	260 degrees F isn't really that hot for the 335i...these F/I cars run much hotter than N/A cars. My car normally runs between 240-260 degrees F (and it's never been above 265 degrees F); more often than not, it's running around 250-255 degrees F. I don't have the oil cooler either. No worries. I think when you get above 265 degrees F, then you may be getting too hot. It is the summer...just keep an eye on it. __________________ \|2009 RENNtech MB C63 AMG \| Black/Black Leather/Black Maple \| Premium II \| MultiMedia \| iPod \| \| TeleAid \| Charcoal Filter Delete \| BMC High-Flow Air Filters \| High-Flow Secondary Cats \| Clear Side Markers \|
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Neema Major General 788 Rep 7,246 Posts Drives: a few BMWs Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SoCal iTrader: (12)	For sure, thanks guys. I do want the oil cooler, however, I really dont want to have to go throught the fights I know that Im going to have to put up with my dealer. I went there a few months ago and told them about it and told them that BMWNA said that it does need to be installed, and they just told me that they've never heard anything about it and that BMW would have to have a kit available for the install because its not simple. I also dont want to give the car up for a few days or however long its going to take them. But I will eventually, soon, have them do it......though it wont be easy convincing them. Im glad to know that other people's temps are around the same. __________________ LTMW Widebody+1M front bumper+Slek CF Lip\|M3 Hood\|StopTech BBK\|M-Sport Rear Bumper+DD CF Diffuser\|Custom Recaro Seats\|KW V2\|BavX LS3\|M3 Side Skirts+Custom CF Lip\|BBS CHR 19x10.5+BBS Lugs\|LCI Taillights\|RD Sport Anti-Sway Bars\|GIAC S2\|ER Intercooler+CF Shroud+Charge Pipe\|Tial BOV\|Injen Intake\|MS downpipes\|Custom Exhaust\|BMS Oil Catch Can\|M3 DCT wheel+TiD CF Paddles\|BMW CF Trunk Spoiler\|Aluminum Pedals
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kujo Major 144 Rep 1,153 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: May 2006 Location: LA, CA USA iTrader: (1)	they're not really fighting it anymore. Just tell your Service Mgr that you want it. 260 is nothing, as they said. Basically, anything is safe, as long as it doesn't go into Limp Mode. My car, with Oil cooler retrofit, the other day in Valencia, with 100deg temps hit about 260 and that's it. With out it, driving it moderately hard, it would have hit limp mode for sure. Go Get IT
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jonerik26 Lieutenant Colonel 58 Rep 1,906 Posts Drives: black 335i e90 PRE-LCI Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: somewhere iTrader: (23) Garage List 2007 335i [8.00] 1998 Acura Integra [8.50] 2006 325i [8.00]	i have an oil cooler and there's days where i've hit 260 as well........ __________________
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NPDAN Colonel 95 Rep 2,573 Posts Drives: AW DCT M3 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: So.Cal iTrader: (7) Garage List 2008 E92 M3 [8.00] 07' E92 335i [0.00]	My car runs 240 - 250 on average... i have the oil cooler but I also have the PROcede. I does hit the 260 mark though if im running it hard.. __________________
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Neema Major General 788 Rep 7,246 Posts Drives: a few BMWs Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SoCal iTrader: (12)	Well guys........keep in mind that the only reason im getting the idea that I dont have the oil cooler is based on that super old ass thread about how you should be able to see the oil cooler radiator through one of your lower air dams..........So if there are other ways to find out, or if thats not how your supposed to know, then I could have it and not know it. __________________ LTMW Widebody+1M front bumper+Slek CF Lip\|M3 Hood\|StopTech BBK\|M-Sport Rear Bumper+DD CF Diffuser\|Custom Recaro Seats\|KW V2\|BavX LS3\|M3 Side Skirts+Custom CF Lip\|BBS CHR 19x10.5+BBS Lugs\|LCI Taillights\|RD Sport Anti-Sway Bars\|GIAC S2\|ER Intercooler+CF Shroud+Charge Pipe\|Tial BOV\|Injen Intake\|MS downpipes\|Custom Exhaust\|BMS Oil Catch Can\|M3 DCT wheel+TiD CF Paddles\|BMW CF Trunk Spoiler\|Aluminum Pedals
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SinCity89 Private First Class 2 Rep 109 Posts Drives: E92 Montego Blue Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Las Vegas iTrader: (0)	Temp I just picked up my car Monday with oil cooler with temp around 110 here in Vegas and I am staying right around 240.
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Park2670 General 355 Rep 18,218 Posts Drives: Tesla Model 3 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UTAH iTrader: (8)	My car usually stays around 240 while driving normally. I have seen much higher temps while driving around the track however. As long as your car isnt overheating, I wouldnt worry about it. My car is a manual with the cooler from the factory. __________________
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jon@themshop Captain 38 Rep 762 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Los Angeles/Eagle Rock, CA iTrader: (8)	Oh man.. I gotta story for you guys. A buddy of mine works as a tech at the local BMW Center. That day they were authorized to install oil cooler retrofit kits on two 335i's. His co-worker started to drain the oil and what came out was oil that he described as a "chocolate milkshake" color and texture. The 335i remained in the shop for a couple of weeks I think and the latest update I got was that the engine was replaced. The vehicle that the engine was replaced had no complaints and was only coming in for the oil cooler retrofit so I am not sure if coolant got mixed with the oil or the oil itself changes properties due to heat.
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