Shiv, please share with us what you think about a better IC for the 335i

e.n335 · 06-14-2007, 12:59 PM

Hi Shiv

I have the PROcede ( v1.45 steptronic ) and I am very happy about your product. As everything each piece of the 335i is a compromise between price and functionality.

I like to upgrade the 335i's intercooler. The reason is to keep the temp's low and to de-stress the turbos. How would a proceded car behave after such an upgrade ( bolt on, well sized and optimized for the 335i from a reputable company ) without a map supporting it ?

Would you be willing, if required, to develop a map for IC upgraded PROcede customers ?

I think about a SPEARCO upgrade. BTW, will you offer an IC upgrade for the 335i ?

Thank you for feedback.

Cheers
Eugen

Terry335 · 06-14-2007, 01:29 PM

Eugen, use scan software to check the IAT temps. I'm showing around a 30 degree increase under 10psi on mine. I'm not sure an intercooler upgrade is needed, but will hold back until I see the results of turbonetics IC.

e.n335 · 06-14-2007, 01:44 PM

Terry,

Thank you for feedback. I already did my homework related to IC's and will be fine with lower temps and even zero power increase ( would be unusual ). Just want to avoid power loss and a confirmation of Vishnu.

BTW and honestly, the PROcede is a great product. Engine smoother than stock, power everywhere. You will end up on it

.

Cheers
Eugen

bmwzimmer · 06-14-2007, 01:50 PM

Give it a month or 2 and folks here will be installing IC's with their Procede / AA XEDE / RD XEDE equiped cars and we will see if any software update is even required...

Terry335 · 06-14-2007, 01:57 PM

If heat soak is a concern for you, I might suggest an IC sprayer. They are pretty cheap and very effective. Even a larger IC will heat up and become less efficent after a few laps.

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Originally Posted by eugen.niederreiter

Terry,

Thank you for feedback. I already did my homework related to IC's and will be fine with lower temps and even zero power increase ( would be unusual ). Just want to avoid power loss and a confirmation of Vishnu.

BTW and honestly, the PROcede is a great product. Engine smoother than stock, power everywhere. You will end up on it

.

Cheers
Eugen

danielg · 06-14-2007, 01:57 PM

e.n335 · 06-14-2007, 02:10 PM

The engine temps did not increase with the PROcede. In general, the engine runs more on the hotter side. Nothing wrong to cool it down. Water spray is no option, I dont want to get a water tank.

Terry335 · 06-14-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by eugen.niederreiter

The engine temps did not increase with the PROcede. In general, the engine runs more on the hotter side. Nothing wrong to cool it down. Water spray is no option, I dont want to get a water tank.

IC is not going to effect engine temps, except to make them hotter if it takes up some of the radiator surface.

For the water tank use the wiper fluid, it has a warning when you're low, and holds around 1 gallon. The IC spray should just turn on at higher boost levels to cool the IC down a bit. Much safer than water injection, with a lot of the benefit.

jbake · 06-14-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry335

IC is not going to effect engine temps, except to make them hotter if it takes up some of the radiator surface.

For the water tank use the wiper fluid, it has a warning when you're low, and holds around 1 gallon. The IC spray should just turn on at higher boost levels to cool the IC down a bit. Much safer than water injection, with a lot of the benefit.

w3rd. I have yet to see someone do a DIY intercooler sprayer from the washer fluid.

e.n335 · 06-14-2007, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry335

IC is not going to effect engine temps, except to make them hotter if it takes up some of the radiator surface.

For the water tank use the wiper fluid, it has a warning when you're low, and holds around 1 gallon. The IC spray should just turn on at higher boost levels to cool the IC down a bit. Much safer than water injection, with a lot of the benefit.

Not true.

A418t81 · 06-14-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by eugen.niederreiter

Not true.

Yes he is, engine temp is dictated by the coolant t-stat and radiator which are not used anywhere near full capacity under normal conditions. An aftermarket IC that lowers IATs 20 deg will not have any appreciate effect on coolant temp regardless if the ECU can add a deg or two of timing, UNLESS it takes up more surface area and blocks flow through the radiator enough that it cannot cool to capacity.

RiXst3r · 06-14-2007, 02:21 PM

First there was...

Shiv vs. Terry

now there is....

Eugen vs. Terry....

DING DING.... FIGHT!

e.n335 · 06-14-2007, 02:24 PM

Less IAT's = less EGT's = less stress on the turbo's

e.n335 · 06-14-2007, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

First there was...

Shiv vs. Terry

now there is....

Eugen vs. Terry....

DING DING.... FIGHT!

No, I am not here to fight ...

RiXst3r · 06-14-2007, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eugen.niederreiter

No, I am not here to fight ...

Just makin sure...

Terry335 · 06-14-2007, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eugen.niederreiter

Less IAT's = less EGT's = less stress on the turbo's

sigh...

Terry335 · 06-14-2007, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A418t81

Yes he is, engine temp is dictated by the coolant t-stat and radiator which are not used anywhere near full capacity under normal conditions. An aftermarket IC that lowers IATs 20 deg will not have any appreciate effect on coolant temp regardless if the ECU can add a deg or two of timing, UNLESS it takes up more surface area and blocks flow through the radiator enough that it cannot cool to capacity.

+1

A418t81 · 06-14-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by eugen.niederreiter

Less IAT's = less EGT's = less stress on the turbo's

You are on the right track, but keep on reading. Lower IATs that allow for more timing will lower EGTs. HOWEVER adding a deg or two of timing (which being generous a 20-30 deg reduction in temps will allow) will have little effect on lowering EGTs in any dramatic way. Finally, whats ~40 deg C less temp when the turbine is being bathed in 900+ deg C exhaust anyway?

leftcoastman · 06-14-2007, 02:50 PM

I can't see what Terry writes (blocked!) but I have noticed that Terry is all over any thread that has anything to do with Shiv/PROcede

Kinda reminds me of this stalker I had to deal with a few years ago.

superman · 06-14-2007, 03:16 PM

Ok first of all there is NO need for an intercooler sprayer on a front mount intercooler set up. The front mounts do not heat soak like a top mount intercooler does. In the wrx world, this is why alot of people get the front mount intercoolers, to avoid heat soak and handle the bigger turbos, with more boost.

Chris

Terry335 · 06-14-2007, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

I can't see what Terry writes (blocked!) but I have noticed that Terry is all over any thread that has anything to do with Shiv/PROcede

Kinda reminds me of this stalker I had to deal with a few years ago.

We're just talking about IC's, nothing to do with procede or Shiv.

RiXst3r · 06-14-2007, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

I can't see what Terry writes (blocked!) but I have noticed that Terry is all over any thread that has anything to do with Shiv/PROcede

Kinda reminds me of this stalker I had to deal with a few years ago.

this reminds me of a 4 yr old kid covering his ears and humming so as to act like he cant here you... why block terry? and then still post about him???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry335

We're just talking about IC's, nothing to do with procede or Shiv.

Post in a bigger font, I dont think he can hear you yet...

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Terry335 Banned 96 Rep 2,587 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Socal iTrader: (0)	Eugen, use scan software to check the IAT temps. I'm showing around a 30 degree increase under 10psi on mine. I'm not sure an intercooler upgrade is needed, but will hold back until I see the results of turbonetics IC.
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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	Terry, Thank you for feedback. I already did my homework related to IC's and will be fine with lower temps and even zero power increase ( would be unusual ). Just want to avoid power loss and a confirmation of Vishnu. BTW and honestly, the PROcede is a great product. Engine smoother than stock, power everywhere. You will end up on it . Cheers Eugen
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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	The engine temps did not increase with the PROcede. In general, the engine runs more on the hotter side. Nothing wrong to cool it down. Water spray is no option, I dont want to get a water tank.
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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	Less IAT's = less EGT's = less stress on the turbo's
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superman Private 18 Rep 88 Posts Drives: 2008 BMW 135i silver Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New Hampshire iTrader: (0)	Ok first of all there is NO need for an intercooler sprayer on a front mount intercooler set up. The front mounts do not heat soak like a top mount intercooler does. In the wrx world, this is why alot of people get the front mount intercoolers, to avoid heat soak and handle the bigger turbos, with more boost. Chris
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