[iatacs19]

Car Info:

Week 11
March 2007 Build
Died 6/15/2007

Status:
Dead fuel pump, no ETA




Here is a video of a normal start on my 335i. This is when it's warm and has been running until it reaches 240F. Shut off for not more than 30min.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40080600526946

This is the same 335i starting cold after more than 6hrs of parking, usually overnight. It's been about 2 weeks of this nonsense now...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26315747010378

I had a time once when it was much worse, but I wasn't capturing on video at the time. I have been recording it daily to so they cannot argue with me once I take it in.


I will post some more vids if I get another nasty episode of slow crank.

6/12/2007
Here is the bad crank, check the RPMs and the sound while it's trying to crank:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...07360620&hl=en

6/13/2007
Another one, getting worse I fear...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40472293411752

[robbie211]

I had that long crank start...then the message "engine malfunction - reduced power"...loss of power while driving. And indeed it was the fuel pump. My car has been in the shop going on week 7 and still no fuel pump.

[Schweitzer]

My car had the identical type of extended crank that yours does, which preceded the high pressure fuel pump failure. (My car has been at the dealers for three months waiting for a replacement.)

[robbie211]

Originally Posted by Schweitzer

My car had the identical type of extended crank that yours does, which preceded the high pressure fuel pump failure. (My car has been at the dealers for three months waiting for a replacement.)

wow 3 months...I thought my situation was bad. I hope they get these pumps in very very soon.

[BzzzBom]

I have the opposite issue. After the car sits overnight it starts right up but if it is warm and sits for about 30 minutes it sometimes has a 2-3 second crank time. I had the same issue with my last car, a Mercedes E-500.

[e46SilverM3]

I also have the same problem.... it starts right up after sitting overnight but i have a long crank after the car has been sitting for about 30 min or so after getting it fully warm. Is this also a sign of the pump failing? Thanks in advance...

[kujo]

I'm starting week 7 as well.
Yes, long crank will lead to FP failure.

I have a good connection with BMW NA and there is a BIG shipment of FPs coming in late this week, early next week.

Keep those fingers crossed boys and girls !!

[Schweitzer]

Originally Posted by Black335

I also have the same problem.... it starts right up after sitting overnight but i have a long crank after the car has been sitting for about 30 min or so after getting it fully warm. Is this also a sign of the pump failing? Thanks in advance...

I found this USA TSB posted by E90Fleet in a different thread. The "hot soak" referred to in it describes your situation above. My E92 exhibited the "hot soak" extended crank most often before its pump failed.

Note that it indicates vehicles built from 6/06 through 12/01/06. I question whether that outside date is accurate given the high pressure fuel pump failures of more recent builds.

SUBJECT
E90, E92 with N54 - Diagnosis for DME FC 29DC/2FBF


MODEL
E90, E92 with N54 produced 06/06 up to 12/01/06


SITUATION I
Customer may complain of the following:

"Vehicle looses power while driving"; or "Vehicle runs poorly";

Service Engine Soon light may be illuminated;

GT1/DIS diagnosis shows fault code 29DC (Cylinder injection cut-out, pressure too low in high pressure system), 2FBF (Fuel pressure on-release injection, pressure too low), also in conjunction with 29F1 (Fuel high pressure, plausibility) and 29F2 (Fuel high pressure, fuel pressure undershot).

In some cases, also misfire faults for various cylinders (e.g. FC 20D1, 29CF, 29D2, 29CE, 29D0, 29CC) are stored in MSD80.

Important:

If only fault codes 29F1/29F2 are stored in DME, refer to SI B12 16 06 (November 2006).

SITUATION II
Customer may complain of:

Excessive cranking time before engine starts (5-6 seconds) on cold start, or after hot soak,

In most cases GT1/DIS diagnosis shows fault code 29DC, and/or 2FBF.

CAUSE
Sensitivity of the high pressure injection pump (HHP) diagnostic software.

CORRECTION
On a customer complaint basis only, and when the listed above fault codes are stored in DME memory:

1. Check vehicle's integration level.

2. If the integration level is found to be "E089-06-09-540", or lower, then reprogram/recode complete vehicle using PROGMAN V24.02, or higher (target integration level "E089-06-12-510", or higher).

3. Test drive vehicle after programming to verify effectiveness of the repair.

In case, vehicle was already reprogrammed with V24.02 (to the integration E089-06-12-510) and fault codes 29DC, and/or 2FBF/29F1/29F2 are found to be stored in DME; or a high pressure injection pump faults are coming during back during test drive after V24.02 reprogramming then:

Perform all applicable DIS/GT1 test plans, mainly B1214_ DI6KHDR/NDR (high pressure fuel system, rail pressure sensor, volume control valve test), and B1612_ STR/SPG/VER (low pressure fuel system check). Test modules may be accessed using the path: Function selection; Drive; Motor Electronics; then High-pressure/Low-pressure fuel system; Test plan.

Make sure that a FASTA data is transmitted after completion of all appropriate test modules.

Replace the high pressure fuel pump, when prompted by the results of DIS/GT1 test plans. For the pump replacement procedure refer to RA 13 51 017 found in BMW TIS.

After replacement, clear adaptation values of the high pressure flow control valve in the DME. Refer to SI B12 16 06 for adaptation reset procedure.

[wj4]

I have a good connection with BMW NA and there is a BIG shipment of FPs coming in late this week, early next week.

Someone is going to steal them and sell them on the black market at 10x the price.

With this statement, Kurt..does that mean that BMW caught up with the demands now?

[kujo]

I don't think they've fully caught up no.
But, alot of us owners that were displaced from our cars will be back on the road with a NEW HPFP.

wj4, I sent you an email last week. Did you get it ?

kj

[wj4]

^Kurt, I didn't get the email. I will search again, maybe I clicked read and haven't really read it. Or I may have trashed it by accident. Spam mail gets in the mix.

Edit: Kurt, what dealership is your car being serviced at?

[achien]

Originally Posted by iatacs19

...

This is the same 335i starting cold after more than 6hrs of parking, usually overnight. It's been about 2 weeks of this nonsense now...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26315747010378

I had a time once when it was much worse, but I wasn't capturing on video at the time. I have been recording it daily to so they cannot argue with me once I take it in.

I will post some more vids if I get another nasty episode of slow crank.

Thanks for sharing the second video, it really help us define what "long starts" mean.

My car had been sitting cold overnight for more than 10 hours and it does not do what your second video shows (keeping my fingers crossed).

I think you should monitor the situation and keep a log of the videos you have.

BTW, do you own an Auto or Manual? I suspect the BMW Engineers only "prototype tested" this vehicle in manual transmission, given most Europeans drive manual, and budget issues with testing on both transmissions.

[iatacs19]

I have a manual transmission.

This morning I got the super long horrible crank, I will post video when I get home from work.

My car has about 2,600 miles... 6 weeks old.

[KL2DC]

Originally Posted by iatacs19

I have a manual transmission.

This morning I got the super long horrible crank, I will post video when I get home from work.

Sell the 335i, get a limited edition 325i ... N52s FTW :rocks:

[derrick]

Originally Posted by kujo

I'm starting week 7 as well.
Yes, long crank will lead to FP failure.

I have a good connection with BMW NA and there is a BIG shipment of FPs coming in late this week, early next week.

Keep those fingers crossed boys and girls !!

I'd say this is accurate..

I'm going on week 4 of my wait and just received a call from my SA saying they have a fuel pump for me. As of last week, i was 6th in line at my dealership. Lets hope this one doesnt fail.

I'd say they are someone caught up. BMWNA told me they halted production vehicles to fix this problem. True?

[kujo]

Picking up my car at 5pm boys and girls !!!!


SWeeeTTTTTTTT

[Crazy Bimmer]

Originally Posted by derrick

I'd say they are someone caught up. BMWNA told me they halted production vehicles to fix this problem. True?

no.

[itsbrokeagain]

yep...i checked the GT1 and I had the long crank fault code happen 8 times in 3 weeks.

I dont give two shits..gonna drive it til it craps out.

The funny part is...it will probably happen when Im taking some girl out for the evening and trying to impress her. Way to go BMW

[iatacs19]

updated with 3rd video.

[iatacs19]

+1 vid, getting worse

[radgator1]

I don't know, those cranks aren't all that long to me. My car has done that when cold since I've owned it and Ive got 8000 miles now. Maybe it is a sign of a failing FP but it is in no way indicitive of impending immediate failure.

Mine will probably crap out at some point, but as some other poster stated, as long as the car runs normally best thing to do is drive it until it actually fails, which could be months and thousands of miles later, if ever. There is no point in gearing up with all your evidence and insiting they take your car in for a HPFP replacement if it is still driving normally, since all you are doing is signing up to be without your car for weeks while you wait your turn for a pump. The longer it takes to fail completely the more likey it is that there will be no waiting list.

[Spool]

Hehe imagine in the morning, a hot girl jogging past your house as you start your car...


and it takes this long to crank...she's gonna be like, wtf is wrong with this dude's car?