2012 328i Black+Black+No Options 34,980.00 is this a good price??

artpixels · 01-13-2012, 02:54 PM

Let me know if this is a good price? 34980+taxes+other
With tech package it is coming around $37,300

Regards

90degreeman · 01-13-2012, 03:14 PM

The best way to ask about pricing on forums is relative to invoice price. For e.g. I got a deal at $100 over invoice, etc... Since the manf pricing is non-negotiable, the only thing that depends on the dealer is how much excess do they charge. Note that invoice pricing is not what dealer pays to BMW. They pay much less... Also please include "documentation" fees and other garbage fees that dealers tend to attach to your PO. This varies from dealer to dealer.

artpixels · 01-13-2012, 05:15 PM

@90degreeman problem is, it is hard to get the invoice price for 2012 BMW 3 series from any of the websites (yahoo/edmunds/msn). I am not able to figure out the invoice price. Thank you for the pointer though. I will try to find in this forum if anybody has the invoice pricing listed.

90degreeman · 01-13-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by artpixels

@90degreeman problem is, it is hard to get the invoice price for 2012 BMW 3 series from any of the websites (yahoo/edmunds/msn). I am not able to figure out the invoice price. Thank you for the pointer though. I will try to find in this forum if anybody has the invoice pricing listed.

I've got it somewhere, I'll send it to you soon

No worries.

Found it! It's attached below. You can also consult with bmwconfig.com as sjohal said below.

Kronk · 01-13-2012, 05:19 PM

check bmwconfig.com for the invoice price.

BMWinGE · 01-14-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 90degreeman

For e.g. I got a deal at $100 over invoice, etc... Since the manf pricing is non-negotiable, the only thing that depends on the dealer is how much excess do they charge.

Not a good sign for resale if youre getting invoice pricing before they even hit the lots.

90degreeman · 01-14-2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 335inGA

Not a good sign for resale if youre getting invoice pricing before they even hit the lots.

Care to explain? I don't get it.

BMWinGE · 01-14-2012, 12:59 PM

in the past, BMWs have been known to give very little discount on hot new models which is one reason their resale stays strong. If some dealers are already selling at invoice pricing while the car is hot, it will be no different than a GM, Dodge, Ford, etc when it comes time to sell...

90degreeman · 01-14-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 335inGA

in the past, BMWs have been known to give very little discount on hot new models which is one reason their resale stays strong. If some dealers are already selling at invoice pricing while the car is hot, it will be no different than a GM, Dodge, Ford, etc when it comes time to sell...

This has to do with the dealer profit...BMW's revenue remains the same. I still don't understand how stuffing dealer pockets would affect the resale value.

justinnum1 · 01-14-2012, 01:14 PM

it wont...residuals are very high

90 % of customers are going to be paying a lot moe than invoice

BMWinGE · 01-14-2012, 03:13 PM

when dealers start discounting from MSRP across the board it leads to lower resale. it doesnt make sense that residuals are so high though and you got invoice pricing so early. if you happen to have gotten a special deal that most people cant get (employee, military, family connection, etc) then that makes sense but to be an average buyer off the street and get a new model at invoice before it even hits the lot makes we worry about the values in the future.

justinnum1 · 01-14-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 335inGA

when dealers start discounting from MSRP across the board it leads to lower resale. it doesnt make sense that residuals are so high though and you got invoice pricing so early. if you happen to have gotten a special deal that most people cant get (employee, military, family connection, etc) then that makes sense but to be an average buyer off the street and get a new model at invoice before it even hits the lot makes we worry about the values in the future.

yea, i am expecting about 1800 off msrp, and im hoping my dealer says yes...the residual is high which is nice for someone who leases, like myself, but i am expecting the money factor around 4.5%

90degreeman · 01-14-2012, 07:52 PM

I guess it makes sense. I am a hard negotiator and I bugged the dealer so much that he handed my case over to another salesman. I got $500 over invoice for ED on a 335i.

jzcrna · 01-14-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by justinnum1

yea, i am expecting about 1800 off msrp, and im hoping my dealer says yes...the residual is high which is nice for someone who leases, like myself, but i am expecting the money factor around 4.5%

Isn't the money factor .00195?
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...=593670&page=2

BMWinGE · 01-15-2012, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 90degreeman

I guess it makes sense. I am a hard negotiator and I bugged the dealer so much that he handed my case over to another salesman. I got $500 over invoice for ED on a 335i.

that makes sense now, youre doing an ED. whew! i was worried there for a bit. majority of the people wont go through the effort to do a ED, so just diregard my concern. congrats, im sure you'll have a great time.

90degreeman · 01-15-2012, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 335inGA

that makes sense now, youre doing an ED. whew! i was worried there for a bit. majority of the people wont go through the effort to do a ED, so just diregard my concern. congrats, im sure you'll have a great time.

Yes, totally agree that I wouldn't even get close to $500 over invoice for a US bound vehicle...especially if I were to buy it off the lot. Each dealer is going to get 3 F30's, 2 328i's and 1 335i (Only one of them will have the Sport Package). Those I believe are gonna be sold at MRSP or even over MRSP. That comes out of their allocation.

Simple supply/demand thing...

justinnum1 · 01-15-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 90degreeman

Yes, totally agree that I wouldn't even get close to $500 over invoice for a US bound vehicle...especially if I were to buy it off the lot. Each dealer is going to get 3 F30's, 2 328i's and 1 335i (Only one of them will have the Sport Package). Those I believe are gonna be sold at MRSP or even over MRSP. That comes out of their allocation.

Simple supply/demand thing...

i thought those 3 cars are demo cars...

90degreeman · 01-15-2012, 12:25 PM

No, the local dealer told me that that's all they are going to get if you want to buy a F30 in February (on the launch date, 11th feb), you're gonna have to pay a LOT. Btw, why would you just want to buy it off the lot? IMHO, the sweet wait and anticipation is part of the fun and moreover, you get what you exactly want on a custom order.

Justin - I sent you a PM, do you check it? lol

sofaonasock · 01-17-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jzcrna

Isn't the money factor .00195?
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...=593670&page=2

.00195 * 2400 = 4.68% APR

jzcrna · 01-20-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sofaonasock

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzcrna

Isn't the money factor .00195?
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...=593670&page=2

.00195 * 2400 = 4.68% APR

Thanks just figured this out yesterday.

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artpixels New Member 4 Rep 8 Posts Drives: Elantra GT Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Dallas iTrader: (0)	2012 328i Black+Black+No Options 34,980.00 is this a good price?? Let me know if this is a good price? 34980+taxes+other With tech package it is coming around $37,300 Regards
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90degreeman Private First Class 26 Rep 173 Posts Drives: Crappy 2001 Accord Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Universe iTrader: (0)	The best way to ask about pricing on forums is relative to invoice price. For e.g. I got a deal at $100 over invoice, etc... Since the manf pricing is non-negotiable, the only thing that depends on the dealer is how much excess do they charge. Note that invoice pricing is not what dealer pays to BMW. They pay much less... Also please include "documentation" fees and other garbage fees that dealers tend to attach to your PO. This varies from dealer to dealer.
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artpixels New Member 4 Rep 8 Posts Drives: Elantra GT Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Dallas iTrader: (0)	@90degreeman problem is, it is hard to get the invoice price for 2012 BMW 3 series from any of the websites (yahoo/edmunds/msn). I am not able to figure out the invoice price. Thank you for the pointer though. I will try to find in this forum if anybody has the invoice pricing listed.
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Kronk Private First Class 35 Rep 103 Posts Drives: None Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Seattle iTrader: (0)	check bmwconfig.com for the invoice price.
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BMWinGE Captain 32 Rep 662 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Carolina iTrader: (0)	in the past, BMWs have been known to give very little discount on hot new models which is one reason their resale stays strong. If some dealers are already selling at invoice pricing while the car is hot, it will be no different than a GM, Dodge, Ford, etc when it comes time to sell...
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justinnum1 Major General 651 Rep 5,803 Posts Drives: 2018 330i Msport 6mt Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Florida iTrader: (0)	it wont...residuals are very high 90 % of customers are going to be paying a lot moe than invoice __________________ F30 330i Alpine white/Coral red Msport 6MT
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BMWinGE Captain 32 Rep 662 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Carolina iTrader: (0)	when dealers start discounting from MSRP across the board it leads to lower resale. it doesnt make sense that residuals are so high though and you got invoice pricing so early. if you happen to have gotten a special deal that most people cant get (employee, military, family connection, etc) then that makes sense but to be an average buyer off the street and get a new model at invoice before it even hits the lot makes we worry about the values in the future. Last edited by BMWinGE; 01-14-2012 at 03:33 PM..
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90degreeman Private First Class 26 Rep 173 Posts Drives: Crappy 2001 Accord Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Universe iTrader: (0)	I guess it makes sense. I am a hard negotiator and I bugged the dealer so much that he handed my case over to another salesman. I got $500 over invoice for ED on a 335i.
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90degreeman Private First Class 26 Rep 173 Posts Drives: Crappy 2001 Accord Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Universe iTrader: (0)	No, the local dealer told me that that's all they are going to get if you want to buy a F30 in February (on the launch date, 11th feb), you're gonna have to pay a LOT. Btw, why would you just want to buy it off the lot? IMHO, the sweet wait and anticipation is part of the fun and moreover, you get what you exactly want on a custom order. Justin - I sent you a PM, do you check it? lol
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