Should I go meth or COBB S2?

blisstik · 11-23-2011, 12:38 PM

Here's the deal. I currently have GIAC S2, DCI, FMIC, DVs, DPs and stock catback with secondaries on my E92.

I'm either thinking of jumping ship to COBB to run S2 beta and potential custom ATR later down the road OR go with meth so I can run GIAC S2+.

As I've read on various threads, there's no point in running meth with COBB S2 but does COBB's S2 match the power CURVE of GIAC S2+?

Which way would you go and why? If I do go the meth route, I would get an HSF-2 or HSF-3 kit.

Brey335i · 11-23-2011, 12:41 PM

I'd go COBB Stage 2+ (it has more power than GIAC IMO) and then get meth once the COBB Race map goes public

bigdnno98 · 11-23-2011, 12:44 PM

I'm runing cobb stage 2+ right now. I haven't gotten it dyno'd since the stage 2+ and DP got put on but with stage 1, FMIC and DCI I dyno'd 337hp/374tq on a dyno dynamics. I'm thinking that the stage 2+ and the addition of the DP will put me at 377hp/414tq. I holding out for ATR to be released so I can run meth. My only problem is that the nearest Cobb dealer/tuner is 2.5 hours away. I contacted the dealer yesterday but haven't heard back from them. If I'm not satisfied with them, since they are the only ones remotely close to custom tune the car for meth, I may just switch to procede and PWM meth kit. Do you have a Cobb dealer/tuner near you? If I did, I would certainly stay with Cobb, I love my AP and the tune. Current mods are in sig.

Brey335i · 11-23-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blisstik

As I've read on various threads, there's no point in running meth with COBB S2 but does COBB's S2 match the power CURVE of GIAC S2+?

Which way would you go and why? If I do go the meth route, I would get an HSF-2 or HSF-3 kit.

To elaborate on my response: the current race map from COBB that's in alpha testing can be run without race gas via the use of meth injection. COBB uses an HSF-3 kit I believe.

Once ATR hits, you can also make a custom map to run on the street with meth injection. Right now, in sub 50 temps, my car pulls so hard on just Stage 2+ that it scares me sometimes. I honestly think that you should be more than set power wise at least until February. Then hopefully ATR is out and you can go on with the meth injection.

Brey335i · 11-23-2011, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdnno98

My only problem is that the nearest Cobb dealer/tuner is 2.5 hours away. I contacted the dealer yesterday but haven't heard back from them. If I'm not satisfied with them, since they are the only ones remotely close to custom tune the car for meth, I may just switch to procede and PWM meth kit. Do you have a Cobb dealer/tuner near you? If I did, I would certainly stay with Cobb, I love my AP and the tune. Current mods are in sig.

ATR is tuned by you. ATP is the one that a dealer would do for you I believe. I wouldn't let distance to a dealer stop me from running anything.

bigdnno98 · 11-23-2011, 01:03 PM

I'm probably the least mechanically enclined person on earth. letting me tune my 45K car should be illegal! LOL any advise on the cobb and meth?

Brey335i · 11-23-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdnno98

I'm probably the least mechanically enclined person on earth. letting me tune my 45K car should be illegal! LOL any advise on the cobb and meth?

Yeah. Either run the race map with meth. Or go to a dealer once that option comes out and have them tune it for you.

bigdnno98 · 11-23-2011, 01:06 PM

so Brey, you're saying that there will be or is an OTS meth map? that would be amazing!!!!

Brey335i · 11-23-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdnno98

so Brey, you're saying that there will be or is an OTS meth map? that would be amazing!!!!

No. There's an alpha race map being tested. It's supposed to be used with race gas, but you can use it as a street map with meth. Themyst run this...

enrita · 11-23-2011, 01:25 PM

I would keep GIAC if you are happy with it and use the map switcher to toggle between maps. See if you like it otherwise switch.

secretsquirrel · 11-23-2011, 01:40 PM

what are you expecting to get out of the cobb that you aren't getting out of GIAC stg2?

themyst · 11-23-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by secretsquirrel

what are you expecting to get out of the cobb that you aren't getting out of GIAC stg2?

logging capability, at-home flashing without having to visit a GIAC dealer.

to the OP:

Stage2+FMIC Aggressive is a very strong pump gas map. With proper conditions, this map can easily do 116-117 mph on a RWD N54, which no other tune can claim at this time.

The Cobb race map will be out sooner rather than later. And I guarantee power-wise, you will be quite satisfied. Averaging out my Virtual Dyno runs which range from 415-440 whp through the stock catback and mids, that is pretty much what both piggies are doing on the dyno as well.

blisstik · 11-23-2011, 02:54 PM

Oh yeah S2+FMIC Aggressive won't be usable for me as I'm in California so S2+Sport would be the most I could run. I'm just wondering if the torque on the S2+Sport map is a better than GIAC's S2+ meth.

vasillalov · 11-23-2011, 02:56 PM

I'd wait... Cobb is still working on their maps and they will have a meth integration at some point in the future. The minute they come with a hardware specific kit for their tune, all of the off-the-shelf meth kits will loose a lot of their resale price.

themyst · 11-23-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blisstik

Oh yeah S2+FMIC Aggressive won't be usable for me as I'm in California so S2+Sport would be the most I could run. I'm just wondering if the torque on the S2+Sport map is a better than GIAC's S2+ meth.

octane booster, E85 or race gas.

You can run the aggressive map if you really wanted!

enrita · 11-23-2011, 03:57 PM

you are better off now keeping GIAC and add meth IMHO . Cobb sport map is never gonna give you the same power as GIAC stage 2plus with meth. You cant resell GIAC so the money you put there will be gone.

Alpina_B3_Lux · 11-24-2011, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by enrita

you are better off now keeping GIAC and add meth IMHO . Cobb sport map is never gonna give you the same power as GIAC stage 2plus with meth. You cant resell GIAC so the money you put there will be gone.

+ 1

I think switching to COBB only makes sense when you're getting upgraded turbos. Otherwise the difference (if any) will not be worth it.

Alpina_B3_Lux

nitehawk · 11-24-2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by vasillalov

I'd wait... Cobb is still working on their maps and they will have a meth integration at some point in the future. The minute they come with a hardware specific kit for their tune, all of the off-the-shelf meth kits will loose a lot of their resale price.

Are they planning to offer a specific meth kit to use with their race maps? What meth integration options do we really have now (for flash tunes)?

blisstik · 11-25-2011, 11:49 PM

There isn't an integrated meth option for flash tunes at the moment. I hope COBB is able to develop live map switching as a fail safe for their meth kit.

It almost seems like this would be the same setup for stage 3 but specific for upgraded turbos.

I wouldn't mind if there's a tiny module in the DME to control the meth kit.

Brey335i · 11-26-2011, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by nitehawk

Are they planning to offer a specific meth kit to use with their race maps? What meth integration options do we really have now (for flash tunes)?

I don't think so. They use the Aquamist HSF-3

11-23-2011, 12:38 PM	#1
blisstik Lieutenant Colonel 155 Rep 1,677 Posts Drives: E92 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: California iTrader: (14)	Should I go meth or COBB S2? Here's the deal. I currently have GIAC S2, DCI, FMIC, DVs, DPs and stock catback with secondaries on my E92. I'm either thinking of jumping ship to COBB to run S2 beta and potential custom ATR later down the road OR go with meth so I can run GIAC S2+. As I've read on various threads, there's no point in running meth with COBB S2 but does COBB's S2 match the power CURVE of GIAC S2+? Which way would you go and why? If I do go the meth route, I would get an HSF-2 or HSF-3 kit.
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Brey335i Banned 113 Rep 4,771 Posts Drives: e46 ///M3 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Austin, TX iTrader: (11)	I'd go COBB Stage 2+ (it has more power than GIAC IMO) and then get meth once the COBB Race map goes public
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bigdnno98 Real Car Enthusiast 288 Rep 2,081 Posts Drives: 340xi Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Germany iTrader: (8)	I'm runing cobb stage 2+ right now. I haven't gotten it dyno'd since the stage 2+ and DP got put on but with stage 1, FMIC and DCI I dyno'd 337hp/374tq on a dyno dynamics. I'm thinking that the stage 2+ and the addition of the DP will put me at 377hp/414tq. I holding out for ATR to be released so I can run meth. My only problem is that the nearest Cobb dealer/tuner is 2.5 hours away. I contacted the dealer yesterday but haven't heard back from them. If I'm not satisfied with them, since they are the only ones remotely close to custom tune the car for meth, I may just switch to procede and PWM meth kit. Do you have a Cobb dealer/tuner near you? If I did, I would certainly stay with Cobb, I love my AP and the tune. Current mods are in sig.
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bigdnno98 Real Car Enthusiast 288 Rep 2,081 Posts Drives: 340xi Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Germany iTrader: (8)	I'm probably the least mechanically enclined person on earth. letting me tune my 45K car should be illegal! LOL any advise on the cobb and meth?
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bigdnno98 Real Car Enthusiast 288 Rep 2,081 Posts Drives: 340xi Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Germany iTrader: (8)	so Brey, you're saying that there will be or is an OTS meth map? that would be amazing!!!!
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enrita Major General 161 Rep 7,377 Posts Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden iTrader: (0)	I would keep GIAC if you are happy with it and use the map switcher to toggle between maps. See if you like it otherwise switch. __________________ 07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
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secretsquirrel Colonel 130 Rep 2,291 Posts Drives: f80 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Far North Dallas iTrader: (2)	what are you expecting to get out of the cobb that you aren't getting out of GIAC stg2?
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blisstik Lieutenant Colonel 155 Rep 1,677 Posts Drives: E92 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: California iTrader: (14)	Oh yeah S2+FMIC Aggressive won't be usable for me as I'm in California so S2+Sport would be the most I could run. I'm just wondering if the torque on the S2+Sport map is a better than GIAC's S2+ meth.
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vasillalov Mad Linux Guru On The Loose 1130 Rep 5,400 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Sedan, 2023 M3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL iTrader: (5) Garage List 2023 BMW M3 [0.00] 2008 335i E90 [8.00]	I'd wait... Cobb is still working on their maps and they will have a meth integration at some point in the future. The minute they come with a hardware specific kit for their tune, all of the off-the-shelf meth kits will loose a lot of their resale price. __________________
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enrita Major General 161 Rep 7,377 Posts Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden iTrader: (0)	you are better off now keeping GIAC and add meth IMHO . Cobb sport map is never gonna give you the same power as GIAC stage 2plus with meth. You cant resell GIAC so the money you put there will be gone. __________________ 07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
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blisstik Lieutenant Colonel 155 Rep 1,677 Posts Drives: E92 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: California iTrader: (14)	There isn't an integrated meth option for flash tunes at the moment. I hope COBB is able to develop live map switching as a fail safe for their meth kit. It almost seems like this would be the same setup for stage 3 but specific for upgraded turbos. I wouldn't mind if there's a tiny module in the DME to control the meth kit.
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