[Q4P]

I was just wondering if anyone has any experiences racing a bone stock Nissan GTR. For obvious reasons, I am not referring to the 1/4 mile or any sort of digs/launches but rather in positions where the GTR would be at a disadvantage for example rolls, 60-130 or anything of the sort. Note; I am mentioning a stock (pre-2012) Nissan GTR for obvious reasons as well...

Tell your experience and how you did...

ASR has some videos floating around of a 540 WHP 135i that they have racing a 540 WHP Nissan GTR and it being to keep up. Somehow those videos seem very manufactured to me but any other experiences?

Edit: Only straight line racing no track day / road course racing (the driver's ability comes way to much into play with that).

[Brey335i]

I have seen YouTube videos of FBO Meth taking on a GTR and winning. And my buddy beat one around the track last weekend. That's pretty much it.

[RnmEvo9]

I have raced a 2009 GTR when I had my Evo9. We both got off the dyno that day and did some friendly runs from digs and rolls lol. His car was bone stock and made 435awhp on a dynojet while I had bolt ons on E85 and I made about 414awhp. I barely edged him out from a roll, but from a dig, I could launch better.

No idea how I would fare against one with my 135i, but I certainly won't be looking for that GTR again as now it is making over 700awhp...

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

I have seen YouTube videos of FBO Meth taking on a GTR and winning. And my buddy beat one around the track last weekend. That's pretty much it.

Really, post some vids because outside of the ASR one; I have seen nothing but annihilation by the GTR.

I mean power/hp ratio is should certainly be possible but somehow GTR's are monsters, part of it may be that DCT but still with that heavy AWD system and a curb weight of over 3800 lbs; they are insane.

[Brey335i]

The GTR's awd and gearing works against it on a highway roll.

[Syndicategt]

Originally Posted by Questforpower

ASR has some videos floating around of a 540 WHP 135i that they have racing a 540 WHP Nissan GTR and it being to keep up. Somehow those videos seem very manufactured to me but any other experiences?

I highly doubt they have a 540 rwhp 135......no one has come close to those numbers yet. The highest dyno I've seen was 517.

I also think the GTR would still have the advantage on the 60-130 runs. Didn't a heavily modified one run it in 4 seconds?

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

The GTR's awd and gearing works against it on a highway roll.

Yeah, that's why I made the disclaimer at the beginning that a GTR is at a disadvantage off rolls but somehow it is still able to win almost always

[Mahhvinn]

I raced a bone stock GTR. I got my ass handed to me. We did a few pull of 60-140.

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Syndicategt

I highly doubt they have a 540 rwhp 135......no one has come close to those numbers yet. The highest dyno I've seen was 517.

I also think the GTR would still have the advantage on the 60-130 runs. Didn't a heavily modified one run it in 4 seconds?

That's my point, they are full of shit. They claimed to have that 2 years ago if you look around youtube... those are the only N54's I see beating or even keeping close to a GTR so clearly it's a manufactured video.

Notice why I said stock GTR to keep things at least semi fair here
Obviously don't even mentioned a tuned GTR or modified one in anyway much less an Alpha / Jotech / Boostlogic GTR / Cobb Tuned.

Vid I am referring to and why it doesn't make any sense;

[335iPSI]

I raced one on Roebling Road, and I kept up for 2 laps before he started to pull away just a bit. I'll be putting the vid together soon.

My setup:
PWM Meth
Procede V5
Intake
Bilsteins
BMW Perf Springs
Kosei K1's with NT01

His car was stock... they are amazing performers out of the box. Even with street tires he was cornering much better than I was. I was impressed he would only pull a car or two on the back straight up to 150mph . Granted, this is with the earlier maps and my boost lowered to 14psi for the road course. If I had it cranked up with the new maps and 18psi... I would have cruised on by.

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by 335iPSI

I raced one on Roebling Road, and I kept up for 2 laps before he started to pull away just a bit. I'll be putting the vid together soon.

My setup:
PWM Meth
Procede V5
Intake
Bilsteins
BMW Perf Springs
Kosei K1's with NT01

His car was stock... they are amazing performers out of the box. Even with street tires he was cornering much better than I was. I was impressed he would only pull a car or two on the back straight up to 150mph

That's impressive but I guess I should have specified straight line racing, track or road course racing takes the driver's ability too much into account.

[335iPSI]

Originally Posted by Questforpower

That's impressive but I guess I should have specified straight line racing, track or road course racing takes the driver's ability too much into account.

We were both in the advanced group... running very consistent times --- not much difference. Granted, we are not "professionals" but it was a great comparison as that is my favorite car. To be able to keep up was a blast!

[DefactoM6]

Here's some hard data...GTRs (non 2012) bone stock run 60-130 in 10.4. If you are FBO+meth, you should be able to take him...if he's bone stock. But rest assured , it will not be annihilation by any stroke of the imagination. My buddy's GTR with midpipe, exhaust, and tune ran a 9 flat 60-130, and they seem to run anywhere from 8.4-9.2 with those mods. Just for the record.

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by 335iPSI

We were both in the advanced group... running very consistent times --- not much difference. Granted, we are not "professionals" but it was a great comparison as that is my favorite car. To be able to keep up was a blast!

Very nice, would love to see the video if you ever make it.

I think that in the perfect world one can beat a GTR... Meaning that the GTR is 100% stock and you are FBO + Meth and you are doing highway rolls. (And you know how to drive)

In the real world, it's next to impossible, I think very few GTR's are stock and the new 2012 is so much better than the previous one.

That car was pretty much designed as a track car and it is so good at so many things that even a poor driver in a bone stock car can do so much around a track, straight line highway race and definitely the 1/4 mile. The combination of AWD, massive tunability of the engine and the DCT are killer...

[Syndicategt]

I'd like to see an N54 run a 7:24 around the Ring. The GTR ownes one of the top 5 fastest times by a production car, done in the rain to boot!

[335iPSI]

Originally Posted by Questforpower

Very nice, would love to see the video if you ever make it.

I think that in the perfect world one can beat a GTR... Meaning that the GTR is 100% stock and you are FBO + Meth and you are doing highway rolls. (And you know how to drive)

In the real world, it's next to impossible, I think very few GTR's are stock and the new 2012 is so much better than the previous one.

That car was pretty much designed as a track car and it is so good at so many things that even a poor driver in a bone stock car can do so much around a track, straight line highway race and definitely the 1/4 mile. The combination of AWD, massive tunability of the engine and the DCT are killer...

I wish BMW would put a capable DCT (stronger clutch packs) and a rear diff at least in their AWD system --- and we would have some strong contenders. Could get 90% of the performance for 1/2 the price --- I'd rock it.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by DefactoM6

Here's some hard data...GTRs (non 2012) bone stock run 60-130 in 10.4. If you are FBO+meth, you should be able to take him...if he's bone stock. But rest assured , it will not be annihilation by any stroke of the imagination. My buddy's GTR with midpipe, exhaust, and tune ran a 9 flat 60-130, and they seem to run anywhere from 8.4-9.2 with those mods. Just for the record.

Why is there such a large difference in times with the same mods. Isnt it automatic

[335iPSI]

Originally Posted by Syndicategt

I'd like to see an N54 run a 7:24 around the Ring. The GTR ownes one of the top 5 fastest times by a production car, done in the rain to boot!

1M with good tires, PWM meth V5 and downpipes might get ya there

[tscdennab]

Some tuned GTRs in my country have the ability to complete the 1/4 mile in under 10 seconds. With the stock engine internals. It's on another level, really. It would be stupid to have a GTR and keep it stock.

[BQTuning]

When I see a GTR I give . I just sit back and say "I will have you soon"

[thwgw24]

Did a 45 to 115 (roughly) highway pull with my friend's bone stock GTR last year while I had full stage 3 bolt ons running V4, no meth. We were side by side the entire way.
2 ppl in GTR and 3ppl in mine.

[Syndicategt]

Originally Posted by 335iPSI

1M with good tires, PWM meth V5 and downpipes might get ya there

I don't even think a 1M would break 8 min....the e92 M3's best time is a 8:04. You would also run out of meth in the first 4 min unless you had a 4 gallon tank