[JOYRIIDE1113]

Ok, Friday evening I had a chance to get my Procede'd car Dyno'd. It was my first time ever and I really didn't know what to expect. I got to the place (found out about it through a local forum member who plans on taking his
6spd there to get it dyno'd aswell) and said i wanted to do some runs. After a while they took my car in, took 15-20 minutes strapping it and plugging it into a computer for a Air/Fuel measurement. They even positioned 3 high speed blowers at the car to assure it had proper conditions.

So after all that the car was ready to get some runs. The guy that ran my car, kept pressing the accelerator all the way pass the step, causing my car to downshift. No matter how hard I tried to explain it, he kept doing it.

When i finally left and paid, I examined the dyno map and noticed the map started at 3k (which was fine) and ended at 5100rpms. Hello buddy, my car shifts at 6500rpms, which of course was the result of him taking it pass the step of the accelerator.

The numbers at the end were kind of weird.
Average of 313whp and 420wtq.

The low HP is explained by him downshifting at 5100rpms, but the torque showed clearly at 4krpms... which was normal for the dyno run. Still, that high of torque surpised me and leaves me wanting another reading. They used a DynoJet, which is supposed to be more accurate.

Either way I plan on doing more runs at ActiveAutowerkes since I live in Miami and they're not more than 10 minutes away...

So theres a heads up to you guys with the automatics, make sure to explain to the guy how to properly give the car WOT without downshifting pass the step.

Joy

Theres a snap I had from my camera phone... I had a bad setting on it so the pic is real small.

[HyperM3]

Post pics of the dyno run so we can see.

[JOYRIIDE1113]

Originally Posted by HyperM3

Post pics of the dyno run so we can see.

You mean the sheet of paper showing the map right?

[Driver72]

Wow, I would not have paid for the dyno runs.
Those numbers are clearly wrong and if he kept pushing it past the kick-down step, then the dyno results are pointless.

Call them up, ask for the owner or manager and ask that they run the car again properly and no additional cost to you.

[HyperM3]

Originally Posted by JOYRIIDE1113

You mean the sheet of paper showing the map right?

Yeah, exactly.

[JOYRIIDE1113]

yea, I plan on that. I complained about it a few times during the runs. After every run when they would say my HP was that low, and my TQ was that high, I would tell them something was wrong. In total they did like 6 runs. All showing the same... I was really upset about it, but since the owner had left and they already did 6 runs with two different guys, I decided to pay and elave... My map only shows 3 runs even though they did it 6 times...

[JOYRIIDE1113]

Originally Posted by HyperM3

Yeah, exactly.

Will do...

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by JOYRIIDE1113

Ok, Friday evening I had a chance to get my Procede'd car Dyno'd. It was my first time ever and I really didn't know what to expect. I got to the place (found out about it through a local forum member who plans on taking his
6spd there to get it dyno'd aswell) and said i wanted to do some runs. After a while they took my car in, took 15-20 minutes strapping it and plugging it into a computer for a Air/Fuel measurement. They even positioned 3 high speed blowers at the car to assure it had proper conditions.

So after all that the car was ready to get some runs. The guy that ran my car, kept pressing the accelerator all the way pass the step, causing my car to downshift. No matter how hard I tried to explain it, he kept doing it.

When i finally left and paid, I examined the dyno map and noticed the map started at 3k (which was fine) and ended at 5100rpms. Hello buddy, my car shifts at 6500rpms, which of course was the result of him taking it pass the step of the accelerator.

The numbers at the end were kind of weird.
Average of 313whp and 420wtq.

The low HP is explained by him downshifting at 5100rpms, but the torque showed clearly at 4krpms... which was normal for the dyno run. Still, that high of torque surpised me and leaves me wanting another reading. They used a DynoJet, which is supposed to be more accurate.

Either way I plan on doing more runs at ActiveAutowerkes since I live in Miami and they're not more than 10 minutes away...

So theres a heads up to you guys with the automatics, make sure to explain to the guy how to properly give the car WOT without downshifting pass the step.

Joy

Theres a snap I had from my camera phone... I had a bad setting on it so the pic is real small.

The higher torque is from converter flash.

[JOYRIIDE1113]

Originally Posted by Terry335

The higher torque is from converter flash.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by JOYRIIDE1113

If you shock the torque converter (like with a downshift, or nailing it from a stop) it "flashes" to a higher RPM and creates a torque multiplication. This is a very good thing and the reason why autos are quicker, but it also kicks up torque on dyno charts.

[jon@themshop]

I think what Vishnu does it place it in 3rd or 4th gear and press the gas pedal all the way down but just before hitting the kickdown switch.

[JOYRIIDE1113]

Yea thats what they did. They did the entire run in 3rd gear. Started the dynograph from 3k rpm, but always manage to hit the kickdown at 5k. It was really annoying... Pressing it all the way down just before the kickdown is what the guy needed to do in order to get WOT. He kept calling my car triptronic... SIGHS

[OpenFlash]

The mistake they made was not turning off the DTC (Press and hold for 5 sec) before getting on the rollers. This is why they had to feather the throttle during the dyno pull. If everything is disabled before the car gets on the dyno, the operator should have no problem going WOT (just before the kickdown) without the car downshifting.

shiv

[JOYRIIDE1113]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The mistake they made was not turning off the DTC (Press and hold for 5 sec) before getting on the rollers. This is why they had to feather the throttle during the dyno pull. If everything is disabled before the car gets on the dyno, the operator should have no problem going WOT (just before the kickdown) without the car downshifting.

shiv

Well you know what, I did indeed disable DTC, but after 3 runs and my unsatisfaction, they told me to wait 15 minutes to let the car cool with the blowers in front and they'll try again. I did not disable DTC the second time after they turned the car off..Either way, the numbers were similar between the fist runs and the second...

Also, my problem is that they did not realize NOT to press the kickdown...They kept just slamming they're foot down once it reached 5000rpms... Either way, I'll show the Dynograph tomorrow...

I plan on taking it to Active, but they use a Mustang Dyno... I was pretty happy with this place since they were using a Dynojet.

[HyperM3]

Originally Posted by JOYRIIDE1113

I plan on taking it to Active, but they use a Mustang Dyno... I was pretty happy with this place since they were using a Dynojet.

For what its worth, it doesnt matter what dyno you use as long as you use the SAME one for every future dyno. This way you have standardized base numbers for yourself to compare. Sure dynos are different and some show less/more loss than others. But be fair to yourself and use the same one so you can see actual differences.

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by JOYRIIDE1113

Well you know what, I did indeed disable DTC, but after 3 runs and my unsatisfaction, they told me to wait 15 minutes to let the car cool with the blowers in front and they'll try again. I did not disable DTC the second time after they turned the car off..Either way, the numbers were similar between the fist runs and the second...

Also, my problem is that they did not realize NOT to press the kickdown...They kept just slamming they're foot down once it reached 5000rpms... Either way, I'll show the Dynograph tomorrow...

I plan on taking it to Active, but they use a Mustang Dyno... I was pretty happy with this place since they were using a Dynojet.

Read Shivs post again. Odds are they weren't pushing past kickdown over and over. There is a very specific order you have to do to get a 335i step to Dyno and it requires picking the gear then turning off the DTC before the wheels turn at all otherwise the car detects the rear wheels are turning but not the front and it acts exactly like yours was. Did you read the threads on how to Dyno a 335i Step and bring the instructions with you to the shop?

[JOYRIIDE1113]

Originally Posted by radgator1

Read Shivs post again. Odds are they weren't pushing past kickdown over and over. There is a very specific order you have to do to get a 335i step to Dyno and it requires picking the gear then turning off the DTC before the wheels turn at all otherwise the car detects the rear wheels are turning but not the front and it acts exactly like yours was. Did you read the threads on how to Dyno a 335i Step and bring the instructions with you to the shop?

I didn't even know there were instructions...
brb, going to search.

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by JOYRIIDE1113

I didn't even know there were instructions...
brb, going to search.

Shiv was having trouble origonally getting the Steps to Dyno correctly so he posted this in one of his threads from long ago:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
Just disable the traction control fully before the car rolls on the dyno. To do this, press and hold the DTC button for 5 seconds. Then put the trans into Sport mode and pick 4th gear. Start the run at 2000rpm and finish it just before it upshifts at 6700rpm. Press the throttle until you feel the downshift kickdown click at the end of the travel. Don't press it into kickdown mode or it will downshift and screw up your dyno attempt

Cheers
shiv

[pikkashoe]

Wow Joyride, I didnt know you where riding on CSL's. (looks like it).
Anyways, I didnt know AA is down here, let me know, I dont mind going to them, since they deal with BMW's. Even though my car will be easier to dyno since its a six manual.
Sounds like its an entire process just to dyno the step. I really want to see what your putting down. My friend with the Audi with chip will also go. PM Me.

[p166mmx73]

Can you just slide your AT over to Manual mode? That's how i would have done my dyno run. Then you don't have to worry about kick-down or goofy shifting behavior.

[JOYRIIDE1113]

Since the dyno run is done on 3rd gear, it still would downshift even if it was in Manual Mode / 3rd gear.

[WilyB]

Originally Posted by JOYRIIDE1113

Ok, Friday evening I had a chance to get my Procede'd car Dyno'd...

... Either way I plan on doing more runs at ActiveAutowerkes since I live in Miami and they're not more than 10 minutes away...

Make sure they write "PROcede 335" on the dyno chart and post it on this forum please.