Vishnu NJ Dyno Day (from last weekend)

OpenFlash · 05-03-2007, 11:03 PM

Finally found my memory stick!

Last weekend, I was in NJ to tune a bunch of Evos. We managed to sneak a few 335s in as well. The results are below. ALL the dyno runs, in order, are shown for each car. They are not hand-picked. No tuning was conducted. All cars ran the base v1.45 map. All cars were 100% with the exception of the PROcede. All 6MTs. All PROcedes were installed on the dyno between runs #2 and #3. All ran on 93oct.

Hyper M3's 335
Stock vs. PROcede

Fernando's 335

Chuck's 335

Just for kicks, here are all the baseline runs (of all 3 cars) on the same graph:

And here are all the PROcede runs (of all 3 cars) on the same graph:

Cheers,
shiv

DrewKo · 05-04-2007, 12:20 AM

Shiv, why is it that the post Procede HP results are so diverse, at least as far as the bottom and top range is concerned, but the base dyno is not, i.e., within 1-4 HP range? I don't see why with a base range of 1-4 the Procede range is 2-13 HP among all the cars?

P.S., I figured out my problem loading the 1.45 map--I didn't plug the f'in cable well enough into the Procede. Dumb.

Mr. M · 05-04-2007, 07:03 AM

is it possible certain cars just have faster adapting ECU's?

RiXst3r · 05-04-2007, 07:50 AM

If the ECU is clueless to the existance of the PROcede, then why does it need to adapt?

jonm42 · 05-04-2007, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

If the ECU is clueless to the existance of the PROcede, then why does it need to adapt?

Because after you install this, you might just drive a little, shall we say, more aggressively?

Robmaster · 05-04-2007, 10:24 AM

are PROcede works with 95 octane??

HyperM3 · 05-04-2007, 10:36 AM

Well, as embarrassed as I am for my low numbers, you can see why. The highest numbers are produced when the throttle is pressed sooner. Therefore getting the turbos to spool up quicker.

My run didnt have throttle pressed until after 2100 rpm. The highest was Fernandos and his throttle was pressed around 1800 rpm. Thats 300 rpm difference.

I think if all the runs were started equally, the difference wouldnt be as great.

Terry335 · 05-04-2007, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HyperM3

Well, as embarrassed as I am for my low numbers, you can see why. The highest numbers are produced when the throttle is pressed sooner. Therefore getting the turbos to spool up quicker.

My run didnt have throttle pressed until after 2100 rpm. The highest was Fernandos and his throttle was pressed around 1800 rpm. Thats 300 rpm difference.

I think if all the runs were started equally, the difference wouldnt be as great.

I don't agree with this, but the differences between the cars is minor. The lower cars probably had a litlte knock retard.

HyperM3 · 05-04-2007, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Railgun

What everyone should have is a boost gauge to start. It would be interesting to log things too to see what's going on, if anything of significance.

I just installed a boost gauge the other night and the highest I saw was 12.9lbs boost.

Pele96 · 05-04-2007, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Finally found my memory stick!

Last weekend, I was in NJ to tune a bunch of Evos. We managed to sneak a few 335s in as well. The results are below. ALL the dyno runs, in order, are shown for each car. They are not hand-picked. No tuning was conducted. All cars ran the base v1.45 map. All cars were 100% with the exception of the PROcede. All 6MTs. All PROcedes were installed on the dyno between runs #2 and #3. All ran on 93oct.

Hyper M3's 335
Stock vs. PROcede

Fernando's 335

Chuck's 335

Just for kicks, here are all the baseline runs (of all 3 cars) on the same graph:

And here are all the PROcede runs (of all 3 cars) on the same graph:

Cheers,
shiv

Hey Shiv

the highest number I got on the dyno sheet that you gave me was 338.06 whp and 378.12 ft lbs of torque..LOL..Every little bit counts..Just want to clear that up..

Love my car even more now!!

RiXst3r · 05-04-2007, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

If the ECU is clueless to the existance of the PROcede, then why does it need to adapt?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonm42

Because after you install this, you might just drive a little, shall we say, more aggressively?

Thats not a real answer...

shiv, any thoughts on why the ECU needs to adapt to the new power? Is it because after the PROcede the car has a different efficiency range?

Spool · 05-04-2007, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

Thats not a real answer...

shiv, any thoughts on why the ECU needs to adapt to the new power? Is it because after the PROcede the car has a different efficiency range?

I've heard several people said that after 200 miles of hard driving, the car starts to show it's real powers with the PROcede installed...i'm hoping this is the case since mine don't feel like "Lightspeed" ?

RiXst3r · 05-04-2007, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spool

I've heard several people said that after 200 miles of hard driving, the car starts to show it's real powers with the PROcede installed...i'm hoping this is the case since mine don't feel like "Lightspeed" ?

I know it does it... my question is why. Supposedly the ECU cannot tell a difference when the PROcede is installed... so how is it adapting to it?

The only thing I can think of is that the ECU figures out that the engine is operated more efficiantly, and pulls back some of its safety measures

Terry335 · 05-04-2007, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

I know it does it... my question is why. Supposedly the ECU cannot tell a difference when the PROcede is installed... so how is it adapting to it?

The only thing I can think of is that the ECU figures out that the engine is operated more efficiantly, and pulls back some of its safety measures

The ECU might initially pull too much timing and then put some of it back in.

BoostedBMW · 05-04-2007, 04:20 PM

Good question... i'm interested in the answer also.

mike fab · 05-04-2007, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HyperM3

Well, as embarrassed as I am for my low numbers, you can see why. The highest numbers are produced when the throttle is pressed sooner. Therefore getting the turbos to spool up quicker.

My run didnt have throttle pressed until after 2100 rpm. The highest was Fernandos and his throttle was pressed around 1800 rpm. Thats 300 rpm difference.

I think if all the runs were started equally, the difference wouldnt be as great.

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First of all, there is nothing to be embarrassed about. These are all impressive numbers.

I notice that the graphs of the other two cars have a bump where peak torque takes place at around 2200/2300 RPMs. Your graph does not have that "bump" in the line. I wonder if that has something to do with the throttle action you describe above?

Your Torque numbers from the mid-2's to 4K seem a bit higher than the others.

scalbert · 05-04-2007, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrewKo

Shiv, why is it that the post Procede HP results are so diverse, at least as far as the bottom and top range is concerned, but the base dyno is not, i.e., within 1-4 HP range? I don't see why with a base range of 1-4 the Procede range is 2-13 HP among all the cars?

The greater load the greater the variances will be noticed. Some engines will naturally be more knock prone, etc. and others not. Also, I doubt all were running the same exact fuel.

I was suprised that all were within 12 WHP of one another.

HyperM3 · 05-04-2007, 08:54 PM

Im interested in figuring out what the other guys were running in terms of fuel to see if it makes much of a difference.

I was using Shell 93, dynoed on new full tank.

Pele96 · 05-05-2007, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HyperM3

Im interested in figuring out what the other guys were running in terms of fuel to see if it makes much of a difference.

I was using Shell 93, dynoed on new full tank.

I ran on 93 Octane...Exxon about I think half a tank...

Pele96 · 05-06-2007, 11:48 AM

Took a picture of my dyno sheet from Turbo Trix..

Love the number!

Driver72 · 05-06-2007, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HyperM3

Im interested in figuring out what the other guys were running in terms of fuel to see if it makes much of a difference.

I was using Shell 93, dynoed on new full tank.

I'm no dyno expert so this might sound stupid, but really only someone who owns a dyno and has tested this would know for sure...BUT maybe the fact you filled your tank affected the dyno results.
A full tank of gas weighs about what 100-110 pounds?
A 1/4 tank of gas weighs like 25 pounds.
Maybe the extra 75 pounds in the car, over the rollers affects the dyno results??

The other thing is, miles (break in).
Some cars might of just had more break in miles than yours.
There is also just engine variances. Some cars are "ringers" others underperform by a touch. It's luck of the draw, but there's nothing you can do about it.
My sedan was a strong runner, my coupe might not be as strong, it's a chance I took.
Did everyone also have stock wheels/tires?
Aftermarket wheels/tires might affect the dyno results a bit too.

a08_mthrizzle · 05-20-2007, 09:52 PM

SO whats this approx hp/tq at the crank?

Anybody take one to the track yet?

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DrewKo Lieutenant Colonel 44 Rep 1,568 Posts Drives: 335i Montego Blue Saddle Brown Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (4) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00]	Shiv, why is it that the post Procede HP results are so diverse, at least as far as the bottom and top range is concerned, but the base dyno is not, i.e., within 1-4 HP range? I don't see why with a base range of 1-4 the Procede range is 2-13 HP among all the cars? P.S., I figured out my problem loading the 1.45 map--I didn't plug the f'in cable well enough into the Procede. Dumb.
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