iDrive crash

JSpira · 02-27-2007, 08:41 PM

Our Japanrot 3er has suffered from intermitten crashes of the iDrive system since pickup. I first noticed it in Vienna and asked the VDC to look at it when the car arrived in the States.

They recoded the car and it behaved for a while, but then it crashed again.

The dealer recoded the car again and, again it behaved for a while, and then crashed.

The dealer was told by BMW (PUMA) to perform a CCC boot file reconstruction. It crashed on them the next day during testing.

The fault from that crash finally showed something: data line fault, open circuit.

So they ordered a new data line cable (has to come in from Germany, will take 7-10 days) with the hope that this will remedy the problem.

Loaner car which they brought when they picked up the car is comparably equipped so it's not a big deal. When it's done, it's done.

Bimmerista · 02-27-2007, 09:31 PM

And to make people even happier, Microsoft is now partnering with auto manufacturers (first up is Ford) for future in car software application, thus guaranteeing that crashes will part of growing up for future generations upon generations of car drivers:mad:

JSpira · 02-27-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmerista

Microsoft is now partnering with auto manufacturers (first up is Ford)

No Ford is not first. That would of course be Fiat.

aspiring335 · 02-27-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmerista

And to make people even happier, Microsoft is now partnering with auto manufacturers (first up is Ford) for future in car software application, thus guaranteeing that crashes will part of growing up for future generations upon generations of car drivers:mad:

Looking forward to the first car with OS X instead of Windows... It was bad enough having a Windows-based phone, let alone a car!

JSpira · 02-27-2007, 10:17 PM

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Looking forward to the first car with OS X instead of Windows... It was bad enough having a Windows-based phone, let alone a car!

You don´t mean our cars, do you. They don´t run Windows.

aspiring335 · 02-27-2007, 10:22 PM

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You don´t mean our cars, do you. They don´t run Windows.

Really, I thought the iDrive OS was based on Windows CE.

JSpira · 02-27-2007, 10:24 PM

Really.

SoYank · 02-28-2007, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JSpira

Our Japanrot 3er has suffered from intermitten crashes of the iDrive system since pickup. I first noticed it in Vienna and asked the VDC to look at it when the car arrived in the States.

They recoded the car and it behaved for a while, but then it crashed again.

The dealer recoded the car again and, again it behaved for a while, and then crashed.

The dealer was told by BMW (PUMA) to perform a CCC boot file reconstruction. It crashed on them the next day during testing.

The fault from that crash finally showed something: data line fault, open circuit.

So they ordered a new data line cable (has to come in from Germany, will take 7-10 days) with the hope that this will remedy the problem.

Loaner car which they brought when they picked up the car is comparably equipped so it's not a big deal. When it's done, it's done.

I've had similar problems since November. The dealership rebooted the system, recoded the system, replaced the system, replaced part of the wiring, and it still crashes. I have to wait quite a while before restarting in order to get it to boot. As far as I know they've never been able to get any kind of fault code.

LEDZEP · 02-28-2007, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JSpira

I first noticed it in Vienna

Oh the horror of it all! To be in Vienna and have a problem!

Even when you're reporting a problem (that would have the rest of us hopping mad) you are living the dream my friend!

"... as I was wintering in the Greek Islands, I happened to notice that a small button had become loose upon my shirt. Indeed, I feared that if not for the single thread barely holding it in place, I may have indeed lost the valuable pearl disc that is instrumental in adequately fastening my attire.

Were it not for the kindness of a local seamstress, I may have had to relinquish said shirt to the sea. So upset was I at the prospect of this near tragedy, I was barely able to take my tea as scheduled. Woe is me, and cursed are the problems that torment me so!"

KL2DC · 02-28-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LEDZEP

Oh the horror of it all! To be in Vienna and have a problem!

Even when you're reporting a problem (that would have the rest of us hopping mad) you are living the dream my friend!

"... as I was wintering in the Greek Islands, I happened to notice that a small button had become loose upon my shirt. Indeed, I feared that if not for the single thread barely holding it in place, I may have indeed lost the valuable pearl disc that is instrumental in adequately fastening my attire.

Were it not for the kindness of a local seamstress, I may have had to relinquish said shirt to the sea. So upset was I at the prospect of this near tragedy, I was barely able to take my tea as scheduled. Woe is me, and cursed are the problems that torment me so!"

well written

JSpira · 02-28-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KL2DC

well written

Indeed. Led is starting a new career writing Schundromane

LEDZEP · 02-28-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JSpira

Indeed. Led is starting a new career writing Schundromane

I will be sure to cast you as the brawny leading man!

aspiring335 · 02-28-2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JSpira

Really.

Hate to break it to you but iDrive uses Windows Automotive as its foundation, which in turn is based on Windows CE, the kernel of which dates back to 1994.

JSpira · 02-28-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by aspiring335

Hate to break it to you but iDrive uses Windows Automotive as its foundation, which in turn is based on Windows CE, the kernel of which dates back to 1994.

You don´t have to hate to break it to me, but what you said is flat out wrong.

Jean330xi · 02-28-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by aspiring335

Hate to break it to you but iDrive uses Windows Automotive as its foundation, which in turn is based on Windows CE, the kernel of which dates back to 1994.

Awfully brave of you, dear chap, correcting Mr. Spira. Especially when you are wrong.

aspiring335 · 02-28-2007, 09:55 PM

Am I missing something? Has the iDrive software been entirely rewritten from scratch:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...3-04bmwpr.mspx

JSpira · 02-28-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by aspiring335

Am I missing something?

ostensibly, yes

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Originally Posted by aspiring335

Has the iDrive software been entirely rewritten from scratch:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...3-04bmwpr.mspx

Read news release headline carefully.

aspiring335 · 02-28-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JSpira

ostensibly, yes

Read news release headline carefully.

Yes, of course the headline refers to the BMW 7-series, but if you have facts to share indicating that iDrive now has no connection to its original underpinnings I'd be happy to read them.

JSpira · 02-28-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by aspiring335

Yes, of course the headline refers to the BMW 7-series, but if you have facts to share indicating that iDrive now has no connection to its original underpinnings I'd be happy to read them.

I think it´s more than enough than I´m patiently explainining this to you. It´s not using Windows Automotive. It´s running VxWorks.

All clear now?

Jean330xi · 02-28-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aspiring335

Yes, of course the headline refers to the BMW 7-series, but if you have facts to share indicating that iDrive now has no connection to its original underpinnings I'd be happy to read them.

He is TELLING you that it is not Windows. Is that not sufficient?

aspiring335 · 02-28-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JSpira

I think it´s more than enough than I´m patiently explainining this to you. It´s not using Windows Automotive. It´s running VxWorks.

All clear now?

I have no ego about being wrong, but you might want to learn the distinction between "patient explanation" and "petulant and childish baiting game".

Jean330xi · 02-28-2007, 10:34 PM

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I have no ego about being wrong, but you might want to learn the distinction between "patient explanation" and "petulant and childish baiting game".

I don't see anything childish except your inability to accept what he said originally. He made several clear statements that iDrive is not running Windows.

For most people (except you apparently), anything he says can be accepted as fact. But not you.

Besides, how do you figure you were being baited?

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