[scooba0010]

Just been reading some off PG findings and tbh i am not in the slightest bit suprised .rediculous waste off £25bn . It would pay for trident in less than a year .

SAME paper from two different suppliers one charged £10 the other £73 .

71,000 employees who can spend £1k per month on corporate cards unchecked.

As i work in local Government i know this is fact first hand .

shocking

[toxicnerve]

I think I already stated (and have been saying for some time) in another thread that the Government needs a centralised procurement policy to take advantage of its buying power. Every department needs to be much more accountable.

Do I win a prize? It doesn't take a billionaire to spot these things. It's common sense.

I can't remember if it was in the Child Benefits thread or the Osborne == Lying Wanker thread?

So this raises a whole raft of questions. Why cut services and, dare I say, universal benefits, when there are such massive savings to be made through simple efficiencies within the Government?

Why raise taxes when you have employees who do not even have to submit receipts for expenses?

Every Government department should be forced to release expenses information including the name of the claimant and the amount claimed, including individual receipts etc.

Why hit the public when there are plenty more savings to be made internally? Fucking ridiculous.

How many university educations could the savings pay for? How many more nurses/firemen/police could we have? How much of pay increase could we give the ones already employed?

The Government (and the entire public sector for that matter) need to realise their place in society. It is to SERVE the public. They are beholden to us, the tax payer, not the other way around. We pay their salaries!

The British appetite for protest has become somewhat muted over the past 30 odd years but believe me when I say that it will be back with a vengence if things do not change for the better. There is a growing sentiment that there is no justice for the common man. Criminals have more rights than their victims, the middle feel constantly squeezed (while in their eyes the "poor" are protected and the rich are untouchable).

The bottom 5% and the top 5% probably dont care, because they each get taken care of in their own way. It's the middle 90% that will feel the most aggrieved by all these developments; extra taxation, increased uni fees, loss of frontline services and the loss of benefits/tax breaks. But 90% of the population is an awful lot of people to upset.

During the election there was a lot of talk about whoever wins will not see the light of being in Government for a long time after their term due to the harsh measures that would be required to cut the deficit etc...well, that is going to become a painful reality if the ConLib Government does not pull it's head of the sand and start looking inward (and at big businesses) to make these savings.

[Em135eye]

It would also be a lot more "efficient" if Phillip Green hadn't dodged billions in tax using a dodgy non dom status...

[E902717]

I'm not surprised in the slightest but i agree it doesn't need a billionaire to look into it i could have done it!

In a normal well run private business every penny has to be accounted for because the bastards at the inland revenue want to know! How can anyone with an once of common sense thinks its OK to let 71,000 employees have a limit of 1,000 per month and not even have it checked

Its always been the same and it wont change, the councils are just as bad it isn't their money so they aren't bothered...

[beemerbird]

Right to put some minds at rest. As someone who has been in the system for over 20 friggin years I can say without fear of contradiction that some departments run very efficiently and indeed have been asked to consult and help some of the larger major mortgage lenders in increasing their efficiency (just not widely known about). If the department is an Agency that means profit making and run like a business and the accounts are available for all to read. All a far cry from when I first joined but definitely for the better even down to ordering paper.........'you better have a damn good reason why you're asking for more above and beyond your quota' etc, etc!!!!

I roughly know which departments are lacking but won't say on here. My bigger concerns are with Local Authorities tbh and I don't care how this looks but the ones run by Labour have the poorer 'accountancy'. To be fair I imagine it's no easy task as no doubt those LA's have quite a strain on their purse due to various 'social needs' of their area.

The other problem imo is all this H&S/PC we're inflicted with. You work in a Government department and it's bloody everywhere but then you're within a system that created all these rules etc. so they HAVE to be seen to be implementing them. The list goes on.

I will end by saying that some departments need to listen to the common sense of their staff but too many so called managers think it's the armed forces and staff are not paid to think type of attitude......absolute bollocks. Thankfully, I do not work within such a department and the opposite is the case.

[Em135eye]

Muppet alert - now edited. Apologies Helen.

We work with a lot of public sector clients - they vary from hugely efficient to comically wasteful. Not to be tarred with the same brush IMO.

[willhollin]

[scooba0010]

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[Em135eye]

HUGE apologies. Now edited. I am officially a tactless (and ill informed) tw4t.

[beemerbird]

LOL Matt and I did read what you originally posted but the phone rang.

I wouldn't have the cars I have without the joint income of my long suffering partner I don't pay the higher rate of income tax put it that way but at the moment have a good pension (not as good as the Police), that was always the carrot of getting you when young into the system and paid well for your age........then you become institutionalised

[Em135eye]

Thanks for not exploding though.

And thanks to the member who pointed out my rather massive error!

[toxicnerve]

Helen,

While I do not doubt that some departments and agencies will be efficiently run, there clearly are some (many?) that are not. This is where the savings should be coming from, not the man on the street.

Just my opinion though.

Oh, just to clarify...I do include local authorities in my definition of "Government".

[NFS]

Originally Posted by 335diesel

Thanks for not exploding though.

And thanks to the member who pointed out my rather massive error!

Matt is apologising ....

Carlos has sold the DXB ...

I'm beginning to feel that I have wandered into some sort of parallel universe.

[willhollin]

[NFS]

And now Will has posted a picture of an attractive woman.

Is there nothing that can be relied on these days?

[RagingKileak]

I just wish I knew what was said... E90 Posters policing themselves? Not likely to happen again soon!!

Matt

[TMP]

Originally Posted by NFS

And now Will has posted a picture of an attractive woman.

Is there nothing that can be relied on these days?

Nope...back to the norm e90

Sometime is does take a tax dodg-in Billionare to point out the bleeding obvious. The question is when/how/will they do something about it will we get some tax back

[scooba0010]

I sort of get it if you employ 1000s off staff and pay there Employers ni etc tax on your company profits it makes sense to draw the line somewhere.


Proberbly needed a high profile guy to get any publicity ie branson green or the likes



I think years ago ALfayed had a deal with the inland revenue and paid a flat £250k tax pa . browns guys put the screws on him so he moved his tax affairs off shore and paid 0 well done good business mr brown , remember he was eygptian or something

[beemerbird]

Originally Posted by RagingKileak

I just wish I knew what was said... E90 Posters policing themselves? Not likely to happen again soon!!

Matt

I believe Matt was questioning my ownership of certain models of cars whilst being employed within the public sector. Obviously he is unaware of my personal circumstances and the fact you'll never read me saying I spent so many thousands on a holiday or hundreds of pounds on an item of clothing or a watch for example. My car is my hobby and driving it is something I derive a lot of pleasure from, hence I am particular about what car I buy, the performance and overall package. Don't give a flying fuck about mpg, it does what it does.

It would be like me wrongly judging scooba in this respect as he too works within the public sector yet appears financially sound.

Judging by the fact Matt posts on here during the day, I can only assume his wife is running their company.............. could be an incorrect assumption of course.

[Em135eye]

Ermmm - we run it together. Except when Mrs Matt was on maternity leave - then I ran it myself.

We even have a nice website now...

[beemerbird]

Knew you'd bite lol.

My big sis used to run her own business. She always said the IR were pussies compared to the VAT lot.

[dar2008]

Philip Green looking into Government waste!? He's the man who spent £4million on his son's bar mitsvah and £6million on his own 55th birthday party. Obviously he knows a lot about not wasting money!