Lemon Law with a JB3

TriniJots · 06-29-2010, 08:04 PM

Has anybody successfully lemoned their 335i after using a JB3?

Alexander · 06-29-2010, 08:40 PM

What? Just take it out...

jopa489 · 06-29-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Aonarch

What? Just take it out...

+1, not sure I see the problem here. What are you lemoning for exactly?

persian54 · 06-29-2010, 10:11 PM

if you keep the JB3 in... you won't have a warranty.. meaning they could care less about lemoning it...

advocado · 06-29-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TriniJots

Has anybody successfully lemoned their 335i after using a JB3?

Let's see... You modified the factory engine with non factory components. Now, you would like to claim a defect in manufacture or design that renders the car a "lemon". Whether the defect is directly related to the "lemon" issue (something that would cost you a fortune in expert witnesses to prove) is irrelevant. The moment you altered the mechanics of the vehicle you kissed any claim based on mechanical deficiency goodbye. Period.

e90David335i · 06-29-2010, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by advocado

Let's see... You modified the factory engine with non factory components. Now, you would like to claim a defect in manufacture or design that renders the car a "lemon". Whether the defect is directly related to the "lemon" issue (something that would cost you a fortune in expert witnesses to prove) is irrelevant. The moment you altered the mechanics of the vehicle you kissed any claim based on mechanical deficiency goodbye. Period.

Hero

fdsasdasdf · 06-29-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by advocado

Let's see... You modified the factory engine with non factory components. Now, you would like to claim a defect in manufacture or design that renders the car a "lemon". Whether the defect is directly related to the "lemon" issue (something that would cost you a fortune in expert witnesses to prove) is irrelevant. The moment you altered the mechanics of the vehicle you kissed any claim based on mechanical deficiency goodbye. Period.

As much as I really want to say "You should lemon your car," avocado is pretty much totally right.

It would be akin to buying a computer, overclocking the processor far beyond specifications, breaking the motherboard as a result, and then asking for a refund claiming it is defective.

Though you can maybe pull it off by removing all evidence of JB3, something just seems kinda...wrong about it. It's situations like this that make Dinan's warranty look pretty good even though the price is 3x more. This also raises a question: since Dinan and BMW are kinda good pals in the business, would BMW be more willing to lemon something if you had a Dinan chip instead?

Alexander · 06-29-2010, 11:30 PM

positiveions · 06-29-2010, 11:36 PM

you are a hypocrite. I hope BMW sees this thread and deny your ass the claim.

Marcus-SanDiego · 06-29-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TriniJots

Has anybody successfully lemoned their 335i after using a JB3?

Just curious. What's the problem with the car?

TriniJots · 06-30-2010, 04:07 AM

There is no problem with the car. Just contemplating on getting a JB3 and wanted to see that if any problems arise with the fuel pump, which I am told is not related to the JB3, I would be able to lemon it? I assume at least one person on the forum has done that

hjernazian · 06-30-2010, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TriniJots

There is no problem with the car. Just contemplating on getting a JB3 and wanted to see that if any problems arise with the fuel pump, which I am told is not related to the JB3, I would be able to lemon it? I assume at least one person on the forum has done that

avocado's post was spot-on. if you appreciate the mastery of bmw like the rest of us, you would understand that JB3'ing the car would imply some sense of responsibility for future damages on yourself... I have a JB3, and understand that. With that said, if anything were to go wrong with the car, you simply take the JB3 out, run a BT cable to it, delete all evidence of a tune (which mine has yet to throw codes) and.... lemon it, which i hate saying. I would never lemon my car, not for 10 hpfp issues, and i don't see how anyone can if they've taken the time to tune it, take care of it, learn about it, etc.

but if you wanna be a dirtbag and do it down the line, all you need is a BT cable.

be1ieve1111 · 06-30-2010, 07:07 AM

All this lemon lime talk makes me want a sierra mist.

tjnptel1 · 06-30-2010, 07:27 AM

jopa489 · 06-30-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TriniJots

There is no problem with the car. Just contemplating on getting a JB3 and wanted to see that if any problems arise with the fuel pump, which I am told is not related to the JB3, I would be able to lemon it? I assume at least one person on the forum has done that

Advocado is right on. However, the HPFP is warrantied until 120k anyway - you're not going to lemon the whole car if the HPFP fails. Should it fail, you could always take the JB3 out and clear any codes before bringing it in.

persian54 · 06-30-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jopa489

Advocado is right on. However, the HPFP is warrantied until 120k anyway - you're not going to lemon the whole car if the HPFP fails. Should it fail, you could always take the JB3 out and clear any codes before bringing it in.

Actually if the HPFP does fail multiple times you can lemon the whole car

my cousin with his 100% stock 335i did it easily
he had 5 fuel pumps and spark plugs/injector replacements
so his was 100% legit

me, well, my first I was 100% stock, this current one I've been modded
but it died after I took the JB3 out and drove without it for a month.. so can we say it's the Jb3s fault?
I'd say no as many stock cars have failed pumps... and mine really started to fail after the JB3 was out.. (though I'm sure it wasn't in great condition even with it in)

But yeah, don't expect to lemon a car if there's any evidence of a mod

MusclezMarinara · 06-30-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by persian54

Actually if the HPFP does fail multiple times you can lemon the whole car

my cousin with his 100% stock 335i did it easily
he had 5 fuel pumps and spark plugs/injector replacements
so his was 100% legit

me, well, my first I was 100% stock, this current one I've been modded
but it died after I took the JB3 out and drove without it for a month.. so can we say it's the Jb3s fault?
I'd say no as many stock cars have failed pumps... and mine really started to fail after the JB3 was out.. (though I'm sure it wasn't in great condition even with it in)

But yeah, don't expect to lemon a car if there's any evidence of a mod

Only Cali has a 3 safety lemon law

try this

RambleJ · 06-30-2010, 11:36 AM

OP, have you even had an HPFP failure?

Chriztofor · 06-30-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by advocado

Let's see... You modified the factory engine with non factory components. Now, you would like to claim a defect in manufacture or design that renders the car a "lemon". Whether the defect is directly related to the "lemon" issue (something that would cost you a fortune in expert witnesses to prove) is irrelevant. The moment you altered the mechanics of the vehicle you kissed any claim based on mechanical deficiency goodbye. Period.

+1000, OP: You blame BMW for your modification?!?!?!?

LOL

Nedim · 06-30-2010, 12:54 PM

you cant lemon the car after 50k miles??

Tee212 · 06-30-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedim

you cant lemon the car after 50k miles??

I would like to know as well. Whats the actual mileage til the lemon law is void.

Buegie · 06-30-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tee212

I would like to know as well. Whats the actual mileage til the lemon law is void.

it varies from state to state, just google your state + "lemon law" and read it. IIRC CT is 2yr/24K miles, I wouldn't think any state would give you anywhere near 50K miles, the time period is usually much shorter than that

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