[Just_me]

A german carmag compared 335i automatic vs manuell gearbox. Here is the result:



Manual / Automatic
0-100km/h 5.0 / 5.6 sec
0-130km/h 8.3 / 8.6 sec
0-200km/h 19.9 / 20.8 sec

Fuel Consumption:
11,9 Liter/100km and 12,3 Liter/100km

[RiXst3r]

thats not actual test results, that looks like BMW press released UK specs (which are known to be underrated)

This is more like it...
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...8101779a39.htm

yes, i know, its 0-62mph, but still, 5.6 is not right, something was wrong with their AT car...

why in the world is it so hard for everyone to beleive that bmw put a freakin awesome AT tranny in the 335i... its a brand new tranny from ZF for 2007... nobody has run it before, quit comparing it to limitations of older AT trannies.

QUOTE:
An upgraded hydraulic system and an innovative torque converter have
led to swifter response on gearchanges.
Reaction and shift times have been halved to 100 milliseconds. The new torque converter is locked up immediately after the car sets off.

Its not your average AT... its not even your "conventional" AT... its NEW AND IMPROVED...

"The auto has been enhanced with multiple clutches in the lock-up torque converter, giving a 40 per cent improvement in response time, and gear shifts that BMW says are almost half that of conventional automatics."

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:...s&ct=clnk&cd=4

"A thoroughly enhanced six-speed automatic transmission is available as an option on both models to meet the greatest demands for comfort and performance. A quicker and more responsive hydraulic control system, together with an innovative new torque converter and significantly enhanced control software ensure reaction times that are 40% faster than conventional automatic transmissions. In addition, gear change timing has been almost halved. The torque converter clutch connects the engine more directly to enhance performance, response and fuel economy. "

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:...s&ct=clnk&cd=9

Quick locking torque converter and .1 second shift times = totally new feeling for an AT...

[Just_me]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

thats not actual test results, that BMW press released UK specs (which are known to be underrated)

first this is 0-62 mph (0-100km/h) times and not 0-60 mph (0-97km/h) times like they use in UK. This are meassured times and not factorytimes.

PS the carmag is Auto motor sport

[canucklion]

huh? what are you saying?
that's from a German magazine, and what do yu mean by not actual test results? i'm pretty sure that's the numbers the magazine testers got and then posted in their publication

thanks for the find, Just_me

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

thats not actual test results, that BMW press released UK specs (which are known to be underrated)

[RiXst3r]

This is freakin retarted... 4 U.S. magazines get 0-60 times that are THE SAME for the manual and automatic transmissions... and then one german mag has numbers that are .5 seconds different... someone is on crack here... and its probably the germans

screw that mag, this is a much better read...

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=117669

[AndreyATC]

It makes sence, since MT has less power loss than AT
MT cars always have been a bit quicker, but now it's smaller difference, ATs now pretty good

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

It makes sence, since MT has less power loss than AT

On transmissions before the one in the 335i... read other mag reviews, they say the loss is the same between auto and manual

[AndreyATC]

I really doubt it
it's kind of against laws of physics

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

I really doubt it
it's kind of against laws of physics

its all in the design, not physics... many autobox porches are faster than their manual counterpart.

WHP DYNO's ARE THE SAME FOR AUTO AND MANUAL TRANSMISSION 335's

PERIOD.

the numbers dont lie

[AndreyATC]

That doesnt prove anything, two different cars
Even two AT cars have different WHP
There are a lot of factors to affect WHP

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

its all in the design, not physics... many autobox porches are faster than their manual counterpart.

Are those really ATs?
SMGs are different from ATs

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

That doesnt prove anything, two different cars
Even two AT cars have different WHP
There are a lot of factors to affect WHP

Why does everyone have such a hard time understanding that bmw put a freaking awesom AT transmission in the 335i...

infiniti's auto transmissions SUCK, maybe thats what has you confused, this is bmw land....

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Are those really ATs?
SMGs are different from ATs

yes, they are really AT's with torque converters and all

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

That doesnt prove anything, two different cars
Even two AT cars have different WHP
There are a lot of factors to affect WHP

that doesnt prove anything either... the fact is that everyone has gotten the same numbers with AT and MT, EVERYONE, except this ONE mag...

[AndreyATC]

Dont be hating, just because you chose AT and now upset about numbers
Also, why would you mention infinity?
Is it because i didnt include my E46 330ci (MT) into my signature?
AT on infinity does suck, but i dont care, it's the only chioce on SUVs (FX cars)
I think you should chill your anger over this magazine, these are just test results

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Dont be hating, just because you chose AT and now upset about numbers
Also, why would you mention infinity?
Is it because i didnt include my E46 330ci (MT) into my signature?
AT on infinity does suck, but i dont care, it's the only chioce on SUVs (FX cars)
I think you should chill your anger over this magazine, these are just test results

I am not upset about numbers, REAL NUMBERS, like the ones every other magazine and user has seen with the 335i AT...

These numbers are way off, PERIOD.

which would you beleive... 4 magazines and a dozen or so dyno's and 0-60 times from users that say its the same, or 1 magazine that says its different

I hate when dozens of threads pass by showing how awesome the 335i AT is, and how it gets the exact same numbers as the MT, and then one thread comes along that shows the AT is slower, and every MT driver uses it as an excuse to toot their own horn, and say "woohoo, look at me, I can shift my own car, so now its faster"

its not the case with the 335, the AT and MT are dead even, period.

I brought up infinity because I saw you drive one, and I had a g35 auto, that sucked ass...the tranny was loose, sloppy, and a power hog... the 335 is like night and day compared... its fast, solid, and same power loss as the MT

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

yes, they are really AT's with torque converters and all

Ooookay then
Go read up a little on SMGs i dont think you have an understanding on what it is

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Ooookay then
Go read up a little on SMGs i dont think you have an understanding on what it is

I drove an SMG m3 for 5 months, I KNOW. Dont assume...

I know what a sequential manual box is, its a hydrolic controlled clutch on an MT.. and this is NOT what the porches have that i am speaking of

I am not new to bmw, nor to transmission technologies, which is why I am in LOVE with the 335 AT tranny... to me (and many others, including car mags) it makes the SMG un-needed.

READ:
http://www.businessweek.com/autos/co...775_page_2.htm

For starters, this new BMW coupe is significantly faster than BMW rates it. The company says the 335i will accelerate from 0 to 60 mph in 5.5 seconds with an automatic transmission and 5.3 seconds with a stick shift. Don't believe it. I easily got my test 335i with an automatic to do the trick several times in under 5 seconds. My fastest time was a blazing 4.8 seconds. That's four ticks faster than my best time in the Lexus IS 350 and two ticks faster than my best time in a Chevy Corvette with an automatic transmission (see BusinessWeek.com, 7/6/06, "The No-Sweat 'Vette").

If you're not into manual transmissions, you can still have a blast driving the car. If you let the car do the shifting itself, the Steptronic transmission is tuned to emulate the shifting pattern of an experienced driver using a stick shift. The car sounds and feels very much like a manual transmission would as it goes through its paces on its own

FROM CAR AND DRIVER:
"as automatics go, the Steptronic goes better than most and is eminently preferable to BMW's balky sequential manual gearbox."

[AndreyATC]

Quick question before you explode
All those magazines, did they test AT and MT at the same time like Germans did?

P.S. I have FX45, nothing has to do with G35
It's tranny is proven to be one of the best among SUVs in its class
I did drive my friends g35 AT and it definetely not the best AT in the world
i killed that 05 g35 on both of my cars e46 MT and FX45

[canucklion]

RiXst3r, let me guess, you have the auto transmission? why are you getting your panties all twisted up? just because that magazine posted a slower number, you're calling them liars? saying their number is incorrect? so just because you don't agree with their number, it makes it invalid?

you could've offer some plausible explanations like, "well, did the driver drive it in D or DS or M?" or "did he do a power brake?" instead of "that number is wrong man because it's really high"

[Just_me]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

I am not upset about numbers, REAL NUMBERS, like the ones every other magazine and user has seen with the 335i AT...

These numbers are way off, PERIOD.

which would you beleive... 4 magazines and a dozen or so dyno's and 0-60 times from users that say its the same, or 1 magazine that says its different

I hate when dozens of threads pass by showing how awesome the 335i AT is, and how it gets the exact same numbers as the MT, and then one thread comes along that shows the AT is slower, and every MT driver uses it as an excuse to toot their own horn, and say "woohoo, look at me, I can shift my own car, so now its faster"

its not the case with the 335, the AT and MT are dead even, period.

I brought up infinity because I saw you drive one, and I had a g35 auto, that sucked ass...the tranny was loose, sloppy, and a power hog... the 335 is like night and day compared... its fast, solid, and same power loss as the MT

how often do you read american carmags and european carmags?

I dont know if you noticed it but european carmags get worse times then american carmags.
This test is not off, its 100% valid. This is the times we europeans carmags get when we test 335i (some other european carmags get slighty faster or slightly slower times).
I have never seen a european carmag reach 0-62 mph in 4.8 sec which the americans get. I think you realize that europeans use a different way of meassuring acceleration times.
Comparing american times with europeans carmags doesnt work.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by Just_me

how often do you read american carmags and european carmags?

I dont know if you noticed it but european carmags get worse times then american carmags.
This test is not off, its 100% valid. This is the times we europeans carmags get when we test 335i (some other european carmags get slighty faster or slightly slower times).
I have never seen a european carmag reach 0-62 mph in 4.8 sec which the americans get. I think you realize that europeans use a different way of meassuring acceleration times.
Comparing american times with europeans carmags doesnt work. Since they will never get similar results.

I am saying that the difference in MT and AT is wrong