Would you have bought the diesel if it was a manual?

Seed · 10-24-2009, 11:40 PM

I never considered the diesel once I found out it wasn't offered in a manual. Every now and then I question that decision but then remember how fun cars are with a manual gear box.

maswastage · 10-24-2009, 11:49 PM

I still would have had it in auto. That's one factor that never affected my decision. There's no reason to hate on the auto box, it is every bit as good as a manual.

JayKay335i · 10-25-2009, 12:15 AM

No. I have no need for a diesel. I like my gas. Besides, the gasoline versions faster.

gos · 10-25-2009, 12:25 AM

I would have liked a ~2.5l turbo manual transmission diesel, I don't really want to drive a slushbox no matter how "good" people claim it is

jopa489 · 10-25-2009, 12:26 AM

The 335d is awesome, but wasn't what I was looking for. Whether or not it had a 6MT wasn't relevant to my interests.

Seed · 10-25-2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by maswastage

There's no reason to hate on the auto box, it is every bit as good as a manual.

Hating on it? My point was never to see which was better and I didn't say anything negative about the auto. I simply prefer the manual for my driving experience and wish it was offered in the d.

Craig@SupremePower · 10-25-2009, 01:15 AM

no and no...

fernande-bmw · 10-25-2009, 01:39 AM

Absolutely. I was interested in the diesel for two minutes until I found out it was coming only in automatic. That was the end of my love affair.

maswastage · 10-25-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Seed

Hating on it? My point was never to see which was better and I didn't say anything negative about the auto. I simply prefer the manual for my driving experience and wish it was offered in the d.

I'm sorry, I should have clarified that I meant that as a general statement. It wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular.

Alpine Whiteboy · 10-25-2009, 10:26 AM

so the diesel has 100 + more torque but is slower? diesel engine FTL...

Tee-Dub · 10-25-2009, 11:17 AM

I'd love to buy one if it was in the budget. I used to "have to have" a manual in my cars, but seriously don't care anymore. Too tough to enjoy that manual and try to enjoy my coffee taking the kid to school in the morning.

CHCCubs · 10-25-2009, 11:49 AM

I wasn't looking for a manual car myself when I was looking, but I did want AWD which unfortunately the 335d did not offer, otherwise I may have considered one.

Bora20 · 10-25-2009, 12:07 PM

I would buy either...

...I would really like to have an E91 with a diesel

DJKhan85 · 10-25-2009, 12:11 PM

I would have bought it if it came in coupe form and had a manual like overseas.

PJPHughes · 10-25-2009, 12:15 PM

I'd bet if the 335d was offered with a stick, it would be a bit pointless. You'd be out of first gear in less than 2 secs. You'd need a pretty sturdy clutch too.

I drove a Jetta TDI with the manual and then the DSG. I have to say, being a manual "purist" that the TDI with a stick is very hard to launch in first gear, and really wasn't all that satisfying.

Just my opinion. I have a 5 speed Alfa 164 S and Peugeot 405 Mi16 that give me my manual fix...an automatic 335d is more than fine in my book.

bavarian19 · 10-25-2009, 12:51 PM

I might have considered it if it were available a few years back.

JSpira · 10-25-2009, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJKhan85

I would have bought it if it came in coupe form and had a manual like overseas.

The 335d doesn't have a manual overseas.

Koroush · 10-25-2009, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tee-Dub

I'd love to buy one if it was in the budget. I used to "have to have" a manual in my cars, but seriously don't care anymore. Too tough to enjoy that manual and try to enjoy my coffee taking the kid to school in the morning.

My dad use to make me do the shifting because he was eating.

Digtlartst · 10-25-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gos

I would have liked a ~2.5l turbo manual transmission diesel, I don't really want to drive a slushbox no matter how "good" people claim it is

+1

DJKhan85 · 10-25-2009, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSpira

The 335d doesn't have a manual overseas.

My Bad, I was being more general in that I would want a diesel manual coupe. Didn't realize that the 335d didn't come manual there either. Maybe the 320d then

rolling18 · 10-26-2009, 02:33 AM

diesel with a manual AND a coupe? hell yes im there!

n5160u · 10-26-2009, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JSpira

The 335d doesn't have a manual overseas.

The 335D has almost all of its torque on tap just above idle. To put that much power through a manual gearbox at launch would quickly lead to a massive transmission failure. Although there are several BMW engines that can match or exceed the torque of the 335D, they are not diesels and the gas motors need to be well above idle speed to start building torque and would not hit the gearbox with maximum torque until the car was already moving.
When Mercedes first introduced the E320 CDi to the market it was only sold with their 5 speed auto. The new 7 speed auto was not able to deal with the torque values generated by the 3.2 CDi at launch. It was also the reason AMG abandoned their outstanding boosted engine lineup after the 7 speed replaced the 5 speed auto. The 7 speed was happy with the higher powered new AMG engines because they did not have the high torque at launch like the older boosted engines that were forced to keep the 5 speed auto until they were dropped from the lineup.

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10-24-2009, 11:40 PM	#1
Seed Private First Class 4 Rep 159 Posts Drives: It's a POS Civic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: California iTrader: (1)	Would you have bought the diesel if it was a manual? I never considered the diesel once I found out it wasn't offered in a manual. Every now and then I question that decision but then remember how fun cars are with a manual gear box.
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10-24-2009, 11:49 PM	#2
maswastage Resident Diesel Junkie 56 Rep 1,070 Posts Drives: 2010 AW 335d Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0)	I still would have had it in auto. That's one factor that never affected my decision. There's no reason to hate on the auto box, it is every bit as good as a manual.
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10-25-2009, 12:15 AM	#3
JayKay335i Banned 189 Rep 5,046 Posts Drives: ///M323 DCT Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: North Dakota; its best DUHHHHHH iTrader: (1)	No. I have no need for a diesel. I like my gas. Besides, the gasoline versions faster.
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10-25-2009, 12:25 AM	#4
gos Captain 27 Rep 959 Posts Drives: E90 330xi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Colorado iTrader: (0)	I would have liked a ~2.5l turbo manual transmission diesel, I don't really want to drive a slushbox no matter how "good" people claim it is __________________ -- 330xi SG/Terra/Burl -- ZPP, ZSP, ZCW, CA, Sirius, PDC
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10-25-2009, 12:26 AM	#5
jopa489 Major General 122 Rep 6,594 Posts Drives: Anything with Wheels Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA iTrader: (9)	The 335d is awesome, but wasn't what I was looking for. Whether or not it had a 6MT wasn't relevant to my interests. __________________ X7 LCI // Incoming C7 ZR1 ZTK // Sebring + TRX // Hydro + Raptor Gen1 Roush // Tuxedo
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10-25-2009, 01:15 AM	#7
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10-25-2009, 01:39 AM	#8
fernande-bmw First Lieutenant 47 Rep 313 Posts Drives: 2010 335i E90 M-Sport Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Milwaukee, WI iTrader: (0)	Absolutely. I was interested in the diesel for two minutes until I found out it was coming only in automatic. That was the end of my love affair.
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10-25-2009, 10:26 AM	#10
Alpine Whiteboy Jerry's Fault... 175 Rep 9,258 Posts Drives: 2013 535xi M-Sport SGM Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Queens, N.Y. iTrader: (1)	so the diesel has 100 + more torque but is slower? diesel engine FTL...
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10-25-2009, 11:17 AM	#11
Tee-Dub Captain 35 Rep 753 Posts Drives: 2008 135i Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, WA iTrader: (9)	I'd love to buy one if it was in the budget. I used to "have to have" a manual in my cars, but seriously don't care anymore. Too tough to enjoy that manual and try to enjoy my coffee taking the kid to school in the morning.
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10-25-2009, 11:49 AM	#12
CHCCubs Colonel 97 Rep 2,101 Posts Drives: 2013 BMW 328i xDrive Sport Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada iTrader: (0)	I wasn't looking for a manual car myself when I was looking, but I did want AWD which unfortunately the 335d did not offer, otherwise I may have considered one. __________________ 2013 BMW 328i xDrive Sport Line Mineral Grey on Everest Grey
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10-25-2009, 12:07 PM	#13
Bora20 Lieutenant 17 Rep 464 Posts Drives: 2007 BMW X3 3.0si M-Sport Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kamloops, BC, CAD iTrader: (0)	I would buy either... ...I would really like to have an E91 with a diesel __________________ 2007 BMW X3 3.0si Titanium SilverBlack LeatherAutoPremiumM SportComfortActivityAssist & Bluetooth*
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10-25-2009, 12:11 PM	#14
DJKhan85 Major 24 Rep 1,190 Posts Drives: 2011 4dr 6mt Golf GTI Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boston Massachusetts iTrader: (1)	I would have bought it if it came in coupe form and had a manual like overseas. __________________ 2011 VW GTI 4dr-6mt-Sunroof-Nav-Xenons OLD: 08 335i AW/CR/Poplar 6mt-ZSP-ZPP-ZCW-iPod-iDrive-PDC-Style 230s w/FK 452-Dinan LSD
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10-25-2009, 12:15 PM	#15
PJPHughes Private First Class 34 Rep 173 Posts Drives: '10 335d Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (1)	I'd bet if the 335d was offered with a stick, it would be a bit pointless. You'd be out of first gear in less than 2 secs. You'd need a pretty sturdy clutch too. I drove a Jetta TDI with the manual and then the DSG. I have to say, being a manual "purist" that the TDI with a stick is very hard to launch in first gear, and really wasn't all that satisfying. Just my opinion. I have a 5 speed Alfa 164 S and Peugeot 405 Mi16 that give me my manual fix...an automatic 335d is more than fine in my book.
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10-25-2009, 12:51 PM	#16
bavarian19 General 517 Rep 18,858 Posts Drives: Car Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: VA iTrader: (23)	I might have considered it if it were available a few years back.
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10-26-2009, 02:33 AM	#21
rolling18 I AM the 12th. Emom 48 Rep 1,007 Posts Drives: 07 335i SG Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: portland, OR iTrader: (1)	diesel with a manual AND a coupe? hell yes im there! __________________ *e92, 335i SG/ Coral. 6m, LSD,*
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