[carve]

Hey guys. Have you seen Jalopnik's reviews of the Ford EcoBoost in a few of the new Lincolns? This engine seems amazing...maybe even better than the N54 in some ways.

For those that aren't familier, it's very similar in concept to the N54, except it is a V instead of an inline. Specifically, it's a DOHC 3.5 L twin turbo driect injection 10:1 compression ratio V-6 that has a "mesa flat" torque curve like the N54, but makes 355 hp and...get this- runs fine on 87 octane! 24 mpg highway in the Lincoln MKT (basically an enormous 5000 pound Ford Flex with luxury trappings). That's the same MPG the standard, gutless Flex gets!Rumor has it that there working on ethanol injection, too, which will basically be like a factory meth system! The tuning potential of this engine...especially if you feed it only premium, should be HUGE!

Now, of course the Lincoln MKS or Taurus SHO aren't as good as the 3 or 5 series they're supposed to compete against, but I bought the 335 primarily for the engine. This thing makes significantly more power. Man...if they drop this into something sporty, or something like an Escape so I could replace my Cherokee, this could be very interesting. According to wikipedia, Ford expects 90% of it's products to offer an EcoBoost by 2013 (although they're coming out with a 275 hp 4-cyl version, so many are probably that)!

Finally...world-class engineering coming to a Domestic brand. Way to go, Ford.

[inthemiddle]

Originally Posted by carve

Hey guys. Have you seen Jalopnik's reviews of the Ford EcoBoost in a few of the new Lincolns? This engine seems amazing...maybe even better than the N54 in some ways.

For those that aren't familier, it's very similar in concept to the N54, except it is a V instead of an inline. Specifically, it's a DOHC 3.5 L twin turbo driect injection 10:1 compression ratio V-6 that has a "mesa flat" torque curve like the N54, but makes 355 hp and...get this- runs fine on 87 octane! 24 mpg highway in the Lincoln MKT (basically an enormous 5000 pound Ford Flex with luxury trappings). That's the same MPG the standard, gutless Flex gets!Rumor has it that there working on ethanol injection, too, which will basically be like a factory meth system! The tuning potential of this engine...especially if you feed it only premium, should be HUGE!

Now, of course the Lincoln MKS or Taurus SHO aren't as good as the 3 or 5 series they're supposed to compete against, but I bought the 335 primarily for the engine. This thing makes significantly more power. Man...if they drop this into something sporty, or something like an Escape so I could replace my Cherokee, this could be very interesting. According to wikipedia, Ford expects 90% of it's products to offer an EcoBoost by 2013 (although they're coming out with a 275 hp 4-cyl version, so many are probably that)!

Finally...world-class engineering coming to a Domestic brand. Way to go, Ford.

Very interesting and encouraging for the company.. but man.... i dunno if i could ever go drive and live with a Ford after driving a BMW .... the finish quality of a Ford is relative to the BMW .....

Will be cool though and great for them and our country if it takes off !!

[Zeph]

It is a V.. typically means less torque and less balanced for adding more boost. You can't beat the I6. Plus I am sure it weighs in well over 4k.

[BMW_TT]

Only thing I'll drive from Ford is the GT or a nice King Ranch truck.

But congrats to them on the R&D of this motor.

[BMW_TT]

Originally Posted by Zeph

It is a V.. typically means less torque and less balanced for adding more boost. You can't beat the I6. Plus I am sure it weighs in well over 4k.

You can't really say that. Look at the GTR.

[carve]

Originally Posted by inthemiddle

Very interesting and encouraging for the company.. but man.... i dunno if i could ever go drive and live with a Ford after driving a BMW .... the finish quality of a Ford is relative to the BMW .....

Will be cool though and great for them and our country if it takes off !!

No doubt man...I had a 98 Contour and told myself I'd never buy another Ford...but it looks like they're getting their act together. If they put these in cheaper cars (which they eventually will) they'll make awesome 2nd cars or new car for my wife. I mean...of course BMW is better...but they should be; they're more expensive. $ for $, the ecoboost will be amazing. Also, being a domestic, they'll probably depreciate quickly and make great 2nd, tuner car playthings. Repairs will probably be much cheaper if you blow your engine or something.

[Nikolas]

The V configuration is generally heavier than the I. However, I was reading the specs on the SHO and it is very impressive. It's not cheap though. The price tag is right on the heels of the 335. All that said, I'm happy to see at least one USA maker doing great things.

[carve]

Originally Posted by Zeph

It is a V.. typically means less torque and less balanced for adding more boost. You can't beat the I6. Plus I am sure it weighs in well over 4k.

I agree that I provides superior balance to a V, but a V makes for a stiffer block, crankshaft and better packaging. Plus, the N54 isn't the smoothest I-6 I've driven. I feel a little vibration at idle. The smoothest I-6 I've driven was in my old 85 Supra- a car remarkably similar to the 335i in a lot of ways for it's age, but with only 1/2 the power. Anyway, that motor was so quiet and smooth you could barely tell it was running. When you floored it it felt, and sounded, like a friggin turbine. Of course, it only had 1/2 the bang in each cylinder as the N54, so I think the N54 is a good trade off

As for cars, they probably will be heavy, but this thread is about the engine. Besides- their cars are cheaper, and the 335 isn't exactly a lightweight.

[mylydiamy]

I agree that American car companies finally started manufacturing decent cars. Another car that got my attention is that the new 2010 Camaro SS. Fully loaded version with 425Hp is only $34000 (0-6- is 4.6 sec on stock car). I really like the car. Yes the handling is not as solid as 3 series but for $34K you can’t expect more. If you spend couple of thousand dollars on after market mods such as suspension, you would have a very solid car. Agree?

[GeorgiaTech335coupe]

You can probably expect to see this motor in all Ford's cars in the future....I have been hearing rumors they were going to put a TT V6 in the Mustang. This is probably just the introductory phase to get everyone to like it before they start scrapping their V8s.

[scheherazade]

Originally Posted by Zeph

It is a V.. typically means less torque and less balanced for adding more boost. You can't beat the I6. Plus I am sure it weighs in well over 4k.

Boxer 6.

Completely balanced engine.
No need for balancer shafts or torque-sapping counter weights.

-scheherazade

[carve]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335coupe

You can probably expect to see this motor in all Ford's cars in the future....I have been hearing rumors they were going to put a TT V6 in the Mustang. This is probably just the introductory phase to get everyone to like it before they start scrapping their V8s.

yeah...the V-6 Camaro is direct injection with 300 hp. The V6 Mustang is only 210. The V-6 Camaro actually gives the Mustang GT a run for it's money, so I think Ford's run of no real pony car competition is over unless they put this ecoboost in, and then offer a brutal V8 like the Camaro does for the GT version. I hear the Mustang actually drives better though, even though it has a solid rear axle. Can't say- I've never driver either.

Nevertheless, the Camaro seems like a damn fine GT car gor the money, in either V6 or V8 forms. Google "Jay Leno's Garage". There is a video of him reviewing it, and he's constantly comparing it to BMW or generic "European cars". Not the same...but damn close for the money. I think I'd rather have the Camaro than a G37...something I never thought I'd say. I have mixed feelings about the styling though...it's cool, but it's all about nostalgia for an era I've no reason to be nostalgic about (wasn't born for another decade).

[Potty_Pants]

Originally Posted by carve

I think I'd rather have the Camaro than a G37...something I never thought I'd say.

hmm maybe me too... they have DI = better fuel mileage. maybe more room in theback seats too. I'll have to check the car out.

ppp

[Slidewayz]

Out of the 'Big 3', Ford seems to be making the best moves.

[vgame64]

Originally Posted by Slidewayz

Out of the 'Big 3', Ford seems to be making the best moves.

+1, hence why they aren't bleeding anywhere near the amounts of $$ as the other 2.

[NM_BMW]

Ford will be the only domestic company to survive. They have to take drastic measures to catch up with the rest of the FI era.

[kyleb350]

I'd like to indeed see Ford plop that engine into the Mustang. Might be a little awkward though because it goes against what a muscle car is (and sounds like). I'm sure just tuning that thing could yield over 450hp.

[RynoDyno312]

Originally Posted by kyleb350

I'd like to indeed see Ford plop that engine into the Mustang. Might be a little awkward though because it goes against what a muscle car is (and sounds like). I'm sure just tuning that thing could yield over 450hp.

Call it an SVO and leave the GT with the V8, just like they did in the '80s.

[bmwzimmer]

Awesome looking engine. Wonder how big the Turbos are compared to our 335's? Should make massive power once someone tunes it and if it goes kaboom, it's not going to cost 18K for the engine and like 5K for the Turbos.
All Ford has to do is put it in a nice sporty platform and it should sell pretty well.
Ford's the only American Car company I would consider buying right about now.

[bmwzimmer]

Found info on the Turbos.... Is this bigger or smaller than ours?

• Turbochargers: Two Honeywell GT15 turbochargers with water-cooled bearings and operate in parallel, spinning at approximately 170,000 rpm up to 12 PSI. They are rated for a 150,000-mile, 10-year life.

[sd390r]

Small like ours.. If Ford was making the car, i'd be concerned about how much abuse the block could take

[carve]

Originally Posted by sd390r

Small like ours.. If Ford was making the car, i'd be concerned about how much abuse the block could take

I don't know...a small block Ford can take a ton of power. It looks like it's an open-deck design like ours, but it still looks pretty robust though...

Check out this exploded-view...

http://www.drivingenthusiast.net/sec...View_02_HR.htm