PROcede CANbus + DCI + catless DPs = a little dissapointed with the performance

edo · 05-09-2009, 06:06 PM

Hi,

you can see all of my mods in the signature.

I raced E92 M3 and Lexus IS-F last week. Got walked from ~100 mph. It was neck and neck with the tuned E46 M3 (chip, exhaust, intake) all the way up to 155 mph. Vids posted here.

Is this normal? I'd expected to at least keep up with the E92 M3 and IS-F.

I'm running CANbus Stage 1 4-30 maps, UT - 70%.
When racing the M3, UT was 72% (well adapted; first race), but then I changed the map to default one (UT 70%; almost no time for adaptation; 2nd race in the vid) and it was slightly better. Wtf?

And 4th gear seems to be much weaker - as soon as I shift to 4th, I get smoked.

Any ideas?

Turbo>NA · 05-09-2009, 06:11 PM

JB3*

Choolgooz · 05-09-2009, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edo

Hi,

you can see all of my mods in the signature.

I raced E92 M3 and Lexus IS-F last week. Got walked from ~100 mph. It was neck and neck with the tuned E46 M3 (chip, exhaust, intake) all the way up to 155 mph. Vids posted here.

Is this normal? I'd expected to at least keep up with the E92 M3 and IS-F.

I'm running CANbus Stage 1 4-30 maps, UT - 70%.
When racing the M3, UT was 72% (well adapted; first race), but then I changed the map to default one (UT 70%; almost no time for adaptation; 2nd race in the vid) and it was slightly better. Wtf?

And 4th gear seems to be much weaker - as soon as I shift to 4th, I get smoked.

Any ideas?

Icrease ur UT settings run stage II, i thought all you needed for Stage II was catless DP's which you have?

Do you have a dyno?

edo · 05-09-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Choolgooz

Icrease ur UT settings run stage II, i thought all you needed for Stage II was catless DP's which you have?

Do you have a dyno?

It is recommended to use Stage 2 maps if you're completely catless.
But I'll try Stage 2 maps, make some logs and compare stage 1 vs stage 2.
No dyno yet.

edo · 05-09-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Turbo>NA

JB3*

That was extremely helpful.

Turbo>NA · 05-09-2009, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edo

That was extremely helpful.

lolz
I was joking but
maybe the elevation had something to do with it? Temperature?

munters · 05-09-2009, 06:49 PM

For me it looks like bad gas if you loose power with higher settings or wrong map for your mods.

cn555ic · 05-09-2009, 07:03 PM

YOu can set stage 1 UT to 75%...

Mote · 05-09-2009, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edo

Hi,

you can see all of my mods in the signature.

I raced E92 M3 and Lexus IS-F last week. Got walked from ~100 mph. It was neck and neck with the tuned E46 M3 (chip, exhaust, intake) all the way up to 155 mph. Vids posted here.

Is this normal? I'd expected to at least keep up with the E92 M3 and IS-F.

I'm running CANbus Stage 1 4-30 maps, UT - 70%.
When racing the M3, UT was 72% (well adapted; first race), but then I changed the map to default one (UT 70%; almost no time for adaptation; 2nd race in the vid) and it was slightly better. Wtf?

And 4th gear seems to be much weaker - as soon as I shift to 4th, I get smoked.

Any ideas?

I have roughly your same setup. I can't even begin to tell you the raping I give E46 M3's. And I've raced E46 M3's with tune, headers and full exhaust. It's not even a contest. Something is holding your car back.

Gen_E92 · 05-09-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mote

I have roughly your same setup. I can't even begin to tell you the raping I give E46 M3's. And I've raced E46 M3's with tune, headers and full exhaust. It's not even a contest. Something is holding your car back.

+1

Terrance28 · 05-09-2009, 08:11 PM

I wouldn't think an e46 M would give you a run, something must be wrong. What were the mods on the e92 M3 and the isf.

kentgbr · 05-09-2009, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edo

And 4th gear seems to be much weaker - as soon as I shift to 4th, I get smoked.

Any ideas?

Any chance you're hitting the user adjustable max boost limit at the shift and the ProCede is going into valet mode?

Ilma · 05-09-2009, 08:32 PM

These Canbus maps are quite powerful.

As such, they will generate a lot of heat that will pull your timing by 4th gear as you mentioned.

If it feels like the power just kind of fades away as you get to the end of 3rd and into 4th, you might want to consider an intercooler upgrade.

It will keep you intake temps cooler a lot longer than the stock one.

The stock one is useless by halfway into 3rd according to my datalogs.

FWIW I'm running stage 1 at 72% and when I go back and forth between 74%, I find 72 is better.
And that's with an upgraded intercooler too!

TheTwinz · 05-09-2009, 08:34 PM

i think the added weight of having a camera man in the car might've slowed you down some..

lpphreakx06 · 05-09-2009, 08:50 PM

I can walk E46 M3's with just an intake and procede. Get it on the dyno and see if somethings up.

veightkiller · 05-09-2009, 08:57 PM

Change the driver ?

TheAcAvenger · 05-09-2009, 09:14 PM

What does the boost gauge say?

TMR · 05-09-2009, 09:34 PM

Id say try stage 2. But from what i read with your mods, get an exhaust system. Go full catless.

maui86 · 05-09-2009, 11:08 PM

it may be weird to do, but try lowering your settings to 60-65%...if its gas, the maps could be too aggressive for your set up and conditions. in 60* weather i can run 75% on stage1 and fly...in 75*+ i gotta run 60-65% or else 3rd and 4th gear seems to be held down. just give it a try and see how it is. it made a world of a difference for me :-)

teri

Slidewayz · 05-10-2009, 12:02 AM

It is a bit laggy and not as powerful in the higher gears in my experience.

I have a CANBUS Procede, DCI, & catless midpipes...run Stage 1 at 72% user torque.

There's no doubt you can rock some high trap speeds in a 1/4 mile and probably be into the high 12s, but since the power delivery is so linear it doesn't 'feel' fast.

gian335 · 05-10-2009, 01:22 AM

somethings wrong. you should have eaten that e46 m3 and give the e92 m3 and isf a better challenge. Id grab catless mid-pipes or full exhaust and an fmic. run stg.3 and ull blow em. you will like stg.3, it really turns the car into a beast. No more needs for theme parks, u can get that roller coaster fell at the touch of your peddle

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Tobias1980 · 05-10-2009, 02:09 AM

Hi,

I have said it before to you - run Stage II.

The problem at 100 mph is heat soaked stock IC when racing from 0 mph. I have exactly the same experience and will soon upgrade my IC.

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Ilma Colonel 184 Rep 2,841 Posts Drives: 2008 135i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Mississauga iTrader: (0)	These Canbus maps are quite powerful. As such, they will generate a lot of heat that will pull your timing by 4th gear as you mentioned. If it feels like the power just kind of fades away as you get to the end of 3rd and into 4th, you might want to consider an intercooler upgrade. It will keep you intake temps cooler a lot longer than the stock one. The stock one is useless by halfway into 3rd according to my datalogs. FWIW I'm running stage 1 at 72% and when I go back and forth between 74%, I find 72 is better. And that's with an upgraded intercooler too!
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maui86 Captain 37 Rep 738 Posts Drives: 07 335i Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: paradise iTrader: (1)	it may be weird to do, but try lowering your settings to 60-65%...if its gas, the maps could be too aggressive for your set up and conditions. in 60* weather i can run 75% on stage1 and fly...in 75*+ i gotta run 60-65% or else 3rd and 4th gear seems to be held down. just give it a try and see how it is. it made a world of a difference for me :-) teri __________________ http://videos.streetfire.net/video/s...rays_37268.htm gotta do what i gotta do to get them donuts 04 spec-v: rip dec07
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Slidewayz Major 33 Rep 1,177 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oakland, CA iTrader: (5)	It is a bit laggy and not as powerful in the higher gears in my experience. I have a CANBUS Procede, DCI, & catless midpipes...run Stage 1 at 72% user torque. There's no doubt you can rock some high trap speeds in a 1/4 mile and probably be into the high 12s, but since the power delivery is so linear it doesn't 'feel' fast.
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gian335 Major 36 Rep 1,031 Posts Drives: e92 335 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: uknown iTrader: (1)	somethings wrong. you should have eaten that e46 m3 and give the e92 m3 and isf a better challenge. Id grab catless mid-pipes or full exhaust and an fmic. run stg.3 and ull blow em. you will like stg.3, it really turns the car into a beast. No more needs for theme parks, u can get that roller coaster fell at the touch of your peddle.
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Tobias1980 Read the manual please, just do it before asking! 11 Rep 397 Posts Drives: F31 328i, F55 Cooper Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sweden iTrader: (0)	Hi, I have said it before to you - run Stage II. The problem at 100 mph is heat soaked stock IC when racing from 0 mph. I have exactly the same experience and will soon upgrade my IC.
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