Will the new X5 get the 335i engine?

[Jch330]

What will the new engines be in the next X5? any ideas?

[Accounting4Speed]

From what my CA told me a few months back I don't think so. He said that it would receive the standard 3.0 with 255bhp and the 4.4 will be replaced by the 4.8.

[Dawg Nuts]

I wonder why they will discontinue the 4.4? It seems like there are alot of the them here in Portland, OR.

[pseto]

there's long been speculation that an ///M version of the X5 will be offered, probably w/ 500hp V10 that is currently in M5/M6. Then, there will be only a 3.0 and 4.8 version (replaces the mid-level 4.4) initially.

[ward]

Originally Posted by pseto

there's long been speculation that an ///M version of the X5 will be offered, probably w/ 500hp V10 that is currently in M5/M6. Then, there will be only a 3.0 and 4.8 version (replaces the mid-level 4.4) initially.

I've heard that there will never be an M SAV, just like there's no M7

M is for more capable vehicles, not trucks

[John Cooper]

Originally Posted by ward

I've heard that there will never be an M SAV, just like there's no M7

M is for more capable vehicles, not trucks

Never say never

Mercedes has an AMG model of ML-series so why not a M-model of X5? 7-series is whole diffrent thing IMO.

[RichP]

MB sticks an AMG badge on anything they can. Which is everything they make. (When we will see an AMG Neon is only a matter of time, LOL)

BMWs "M" is more special, or at least we are led to believe it is!

[JackMac]

The "///M" version was the 4.6is, and later the 4.8is, right? They can't use the MX5 name, Mazda owns that.

So for the next generation we expect 3.0 V6, a 4.8 V8, then ?? for the top level model. Could even be a DI Turbo V8 by then.

Of course, this is all speculation. Looking forward to the official info soon.

[ward]

no X5 regardless of which V8 was in it 4.6,4.8.... was ever an M anything

it has nothing to do with the miata

it has to do with the X5 being a truck (inherantly not sporty)

[JackMac]

Car and Driver wrote the following back in 2002...

"BMW considered using the M5's 394-hp S62 V-8 but didn't because of its peaky torque delivery and the fact that no stock slushboxes will handle the power. Hence, no M badge, either"

[ward]

no matter how much power you throw at a X5 it still won't handle like a real M car

you can't make a SAV handle like a real sports car

[RaptorKTM]

i would go test drive a 4.8 then.. Cause you can corner a 4.8 so fast its not even funny

[maq]

Originally Posted by John Cooper

Never say never

Mercedes has an AMG model of ML-series so why not a M-model of X5? 7-series is whole diffrent thing IMO.

In this case, never.

AMG is different, they work on anything from AWD to diesel cars. BMW M don't do AWD.

The 4.8is has a V8 developed by Alpina. With the full-on M Technik treatment, it's "M" enough for a truck.

[John Cooper]

Originally Posted by maq

AMG is different, they work on anything from AWD to diesel cars. BMW M don't do AWD.

I see that in argumentation of diesel-engines and wagons (read: tourings) most of You American's are so narrow sighted that you don't understand how important it is to have wide range of models in sophisticated and demanding markets as we here in Europe (where a gallon of unleaded costs ~6,7 USD) have.

Let's put it in this way... here in Finland we have just five million citizens and we have 20 different "basic" models of the new 3-series (318i, 318d, 320i, 320d, 325i, 325xi, 330i, 330d, 330xi, 330xd + a touring model of each motor/transmission combination) and in USA You have around 300 million citizens but still You have just five models (325i, 325xi, 325xi Sports Wagon, 330i and 330xi). Within next two years we will get a M5 touring as well as M3 touring witch wouldn't come to USA because You don't understand the versatility of touring vs sedan. The next generation of BMW's V8 diesels could bring us a M5d even as a touring model and who really knows if the next generation of M5 is available as a AWD now when the Xdrive is ready for higher torques like in 535d (and coming 335d). Competition on autobahn's is hard and if Audi and/or MB launches fast diesel wagon with AWD there could be even a M3xd touring

So who says never?

[JackMac]

Us drivers/owners would like the option of full model range to choose from. It is BMW NA who decides what products to market here, along with US Dept of Transportation regulations (which may impact diesel).

I personnaly would love to see an M3 Touring.

However, this is a 2007 X5 speculation thread...

[maq]

Originally Posted by John Cooper

I see that in argumentation of diesel-engines and wagons (read: tourings) most of You American's are so narrow sighted that you don't understand how important it is to have wide range of models in sophisticated and demanding markets as we here in Europe (where a gallon of unleaded costs ~6,7 USD) have.

Let's put it in this way... here in Finland we have just five million citizens and we have 20 different "basic" models of the new 3-series (318i, 318d, 320i, 320d, 325i, 325xi, 330i, 330d, 330xi, 330xd + a touring model of each motor/transmission combination) and in USA You have around 300 million citizens but still You have just five models (325i, 325xi, 325xi Sports Wagon, 330i and 330xi). Within next two years we will get a M5 touring as well as M3 touring witch wouldn't come to USA because You don't understand the versatility of touring vs sedan. The next generation of BMW's V8 diesels could bring us a M5d even as a touring model and who really knows if the next generation of M5 is available as a AWD now when the Xdrive is ready for higher torques like in 535d (and coming 335d). Competition on autobahn's is hard and if Audi and/or MB launches fast diesel wagon with AWD there could be even a M3xd touring

So who says never?

1. You overreacted my friend.
2. All I said was M wouldn't do AWD, what's with the anti-America attitude?
3. I never said wide model line-up was bad, and I never said wagon was uncool.
4. I still say a AWD or a diesel M will never happen. Ask anyone who really understands M. M3xd? yeah right.

[RichP]

Exactly, BMW can make an "M" truck by having the 4.8is fit that market segment, without dilluting the M-brand. Enthusiasts would reel if there was an M truck.

M motors are, by definition, high revving and naturally aspirated. They wont be diesel. They will not be AWD.

We have more space and more cheap gas than europe. Hence we have bigger vehicles (SUVs) rather than wagons. Just a product of the environment (look at japan with all their small van-like vehicles, those things are way ahead of wagons, sedans, and SUVs in terms of utility, and most look pretty decent!)

[John Cooper]

Originally Posted by maq

1. You overreacted my friend.

I might done that but without stronger argumentation this this topic would have been just a lousy one. Now we've got some action

Originally Posted by maq

2. All I said was M wouldn't do AWD, what's with the anti-America attitude?

I have to ask how many shares of BMW Group You have when You can say "never" to AWD or diesel in a M-car? My anti-America attitude is fed by comments like M wouldn't do AWD which are clearly coming Your way of thinking which is based by American markets (doesn't consider the other markets and needs at all).

Originally Posted by maq

3. I never said wide model line-up was bad, and I never said wagon was uncool.

You didn't say but You were thinking that way, am I right?

Originally Posted by maq

4. I still say a AWD or a diesel M will never happen. Ask anyone who really understands M.

How do You define anyone who really understands M?

Originally Posted by maq

M3xd? yeah right.

This is good example of beeing narrow sighted American

[maq]

Originally Posted by John Cooper

Now we've got some action

I'm in for a discussion, don't know who you were arguing with

I have to ask how many shares of BMW Group You have when You can say "never" to AWD or diesel in a M-car? My anti-America attitude is fed by comments like M wouldn't do AWD which are clearly coming Your way of thinking which is based by American markets (doesn't consider the other markets and needs at all).

You know what, I've concluded that you are one of those people who have more interest in the M badge than the heritage and concept. You go ahead and enjoy your super cool futuristic European only penny-saving slow-revving oil-burning quattro wannabe M3. I will stick with the no-traction-in-snow RWD American M3 with the good ole DOHC bi-vanos V8 that revs to god knows what RPM.

You didn't say but You were thinking that way, am I right?

Wow someone can read my mind - NOT! FYI, me the ignorant American dude almost bought the only Alpina E36 B3 Touring in the US 2 years ago, and I'm bidding on the only 330td conversion in the US that's currently being built by my mechanic: http://www.matthews-auto.com/PostNuk...nventoryID=168. But yeah because I don't like the idea of a AWD diesel M, I must be a diesel AND wagon hater.

How do You define anyone who really understands M?

How about this: someone other than you?

This is good example of beeing narrow sighted American

Well, you say that's just my opinion and I'm a narrow-minded American. I will give you that, IF you could find 5 EUROPEANS on this board that are in agreement with you. Otherwise you remain to be the only person that I know of who desires an M3xd, regardless of nationality.

BTW, since this has gone way off topic, may I suggest should you have any more comments to add, please start a new thread.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ward

I've heard that there will never be an M SAV, just like there's no M7

M is for more capable vehicles, not trucks

The 4.6is/4.8is have been dubbed the ///M's of the X5 world. I doubt that BMW will coin an ///M X5 though. Who knows!??!

Originally Posted by maq

The 4.8is has a V8 developed by Alpina. With the full-on M Technik treatment, it's "M" enough for a truck.

Agreed!

[Caster]

Originally Posted by ward

I've heard that there will never be an M SAV, just like there's no M7

M is for more capable vehicles, not trucks

When I was purchasing my 325i, they told me that they're making a B7, which is a twin turbo 760Li (V12 engine) which is pretty crazy. Its good that they're taking out the 4.4, I like the 4.8 much more, maybe it'll also drop the price for the 4.8

I don't know if the 4.8 came out after the 4.4, if it did, it kind of sucks to those who bought the 4.4 thinking they were going all out, then this 4.8 rolls by them with a nice body kit and exhaust lol..

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Caster

When I was purchasing my 325i, they told me that they're making a B7, which is a twin turbo 760Li (V12 engine) which is pretty crazy. Its good that they're taking out the 4.4, I like the 4.8 much more, maybe it'll also drop the price for the 4.8

I don't know if the 4.8 came out after the 4.4, if it did, it kind of sucks to those who bought the 4.4 thinking they were going all out, then this 4.8 rolls by them with a nice body kit and exhaust lol..

The price of the 4.8 probably won't drop, and the 4.4 was out long before the 4.8is. The 4.8 replaced the 4.6is