What kind of polish should I use if I dont have swirl marks?

oilcrankinject · 01-31-2009, 05:54 PM

I wash my car the right way so I dont have any swirl marks but I do have lots of water marks due to rain.

I want to polish the car and seal/wax it soon so here I deciding on what to use. I will use DoDo wax hence my other thread but I am not sure if I should just go to a final polish or if I should start out with a medium polish.

normtrum · 01-31-2009, 06:59 PM

Always start with the least abrasive polish possible that will handle the job. Unfortunately you won't be able to determine what this is untlil you do a test spot.
will you be using a machine?

oilcrankinject · 01-31-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by normtrum

Always start with the least abrasive polish possible that will handle the job. Unfortunately you won't be able to determine what this is untlil you do a test spot.
will you be using a machine?

Yes. I will be ordering the Porter Cable starter kit from DI when I order the wax and sealent and everything else.

My paint isnt that bad its just those stupid water marks and paint chips. The paint chips can stay as they are on both bumpers, I am waiting to order the M Tech bumpers.

normtrum · 01-31-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by svtfast

Yes. I will be ordering the Porter Cable starter kit from DI when I order the wax and sealent and everything else.

My paint isnt that bad its just those stupid water marks and paint chips. The paint chips can stay as they are on both bumpers, I am waiting to order the M Tech bumpers.

Ah...I see. I can relate to the water marks.

I would reccommend Menzerna's Final Polish II with either a white or black pad. the white pad will give you a little extra bite over the black pad, but they're both used with finishing polishes. I get all my stuff from Detailed Image. If that doesn't get the job done, you could then go to more of a cutting polish.

http://www.detailedimage.com/Polish-C9/

I'd wait a few days for some of the pros to sign in, I am a self proclaimed "mid level detailer". I can't really give you any comparisons from a ton of different products, since I've only used Griots and Menzerna polishes.

I will say however I have had great results with the Menzerna products, including Full Molecular Jacket, which as a sealant gave me incredible results on my black saph.

oilcrankinject · 01-31-2009, 08:10 PM

I was already planning on getting Menzerna's Final Polish II and the Porter Cable starter kit comes with white and black pads so I should be good so far. I would like more input before I blow $400.

normtrum · 01-31-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by svtfast

I was already planning on getting Menzerna's Final Polish II and the Porter Cable starter kit comes with white and black pads so I should be good so far. I would like more input before I blow $400.

Good plan. There are some really knowledgeable pros on this forum. I'd be interested to know how you like your Dodo juice....that's something I haven't tried yet. good luck bro.

Kgolf31 · 02-01-2009, 02:18 AM

Menzerna PO85RD is what I perfer.....(That might be final polish II) I just dunno.

I know the Menzerna Products by their product codes.....

Have you ever looked at your paint in a high intensity halogen light? That would point out all of the swirls that you have

oilcrankinject · 02-01-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Kgolf31

Menzerna PO85RD is what I perfer.....(That might be final polish II) I just dunno.

I know the Menzerna Products by their product codes.....

Have you ever looked at your paint in a high intensity halogen light? That would point out all of the swirls that you have

Yes no swirls. I have a dual 500w halogen set that I use every few weeks (now months, too cold most of the time)

gdnyc · 02-04-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by normtrum

Ah...I see. I can relate to the water marks.

I would reccommend Menzerna's Final Polish II with either a white or black pad. the white pad will give you a little extra bite over the black pad, but they're both used with finishing polishes. I get all my stuff from Detailed Image. If that doesn't get the job done, you could then go to more of a cutting polish.

http://www.detailedimage.com/Polish-C9/

I'd wait a few days for some of the pros to sign in, I am a self proclaimed "mid level detailer". I can't really give you any comparisons from a ton of different products, since I've only used Griots and Menzerna polishes.

I will say however I have had great results with the Menzerna products, including Full Molecular Jacket, which as a sealant gave me incredible results on my black saph.

I agree. Most, if not all, of menzerna's products are great to work with. On my car I use Final Polish II, followed by a coat of 3M Imperial machine Glaze and finish it off with P21S. If I have swirls to remove, I also use Menzerna Intensive Polish.

My car is Jet Black

BK · 02-04-2009, 03:18 PM

I think 106FF with a white pad is a good light polish.

lizak187 · 02-04-2009, 03:24 PM

How about p106ff with the mez green pad....that would give him a little bite to get up those water marks...some can be pretty stubborn??

normtrum · 02-04-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gdnyc

I agree. Most, if not all, of menzerna's products are great to work with. On my car I use Final Polish II, followed by a coat of 3M Imperial machine Glaze and finish it off with P21S. If I have swirls to remove, I also use Menzerna Intensive Polish.

My car is Jet Black

Have you ever tried FMJ? I liked it so much I stoped using Natty Blue wax on top of the FMJ. It makes my black saph look wet. the only problem is it probably wouldn't last too long in those NY winters!

ScheerSpeed · 02-05-2009, 07:55 AM

106FF is good, 85RD is better if you want a lot of gloss

oilcrankinject · 02-05-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ScheerSpeed

106FF is good, 85RD is better if you want a lot of gloss

Ordered at least I tried too. DI wont let me in to order.

:/

Should I skip the FPII and just use the 85RD or use both?

Xander · 02-05-2009, 08:48 AM

Clean towels is really important too. It will swirl if there is still product left on the paint. Think of trying to clean 20 windows using the same towel for all 20. By the 20th you will be smearing the glass. So use clean towels

X...

dr.jay · 02-05-2009, 10:18 AM

85rd + white pad or CCS grey/black pad

BK · 02-05-2009, 10:29 AM

To those recommending 85RD -- do you guys actually see any difference in finish between PO106FF and PO85RD? I always thought there wasn't really a difference. I know 106FF has a touch more cut to it, but I thought they finished the same.

I've been using 106FF for a light polish as well as a finishing polish after SIP. To my eyes, it finishes perfectly, but then again, I haven't used 85RD, just read about it. Don't make me go out and buy some for myself.

Can you actually see any difference? Are you applying it with a black pad?

purplewidow · 02-05-2009, 11:24 AM

fminus does sip, then 106ff, then 85rd.. i just do po83 then 85rd..thinking about adding the 106ff step. also the pad of choice makes a big diff..i have gotten water marks out with 85 rd and an orange pad..some i had to use sip and an orange pad..so it all depends.. but like others said always start with the least agressive polish/pad combo..then use diff pads...if it doesn't work go to the next polish in line like 106ff,,if it still doesn't work even with an orange or green pad go to sip and so on.

SpecC · 02-05-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BK

To those recommending 85RD -- do you guys actually see any difference in finish between PO106FF and PO85RD? I always thought there wasn't really a difference. I know 106FF has a touch more cut to it, but I thought they finished the same.

I've been using 106FF for a light polish as well as a finishing polish after SIP. To my eyes, it finishes perfectly, but then again, I haven't used 85RD, just read about it. Don't make me go out and buy some for myself.

Can you actually see any difference? Are you applying it with a black pad?

i thought it wasn't a big difference but the PO85RD really makes you go 'wow'

i use it with a black pad and it's amazing!

dr.jay · 02-05-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SpecC

i thought it wasn't a big difference but the PO85RD really makes you go 'wow'

i use it with a black pad and it's amazing!

+1, I have never used FPII so I cant compare, but I detailed my buddies black Explorer,which was desroyed, I used SIP and he saw it he was amazed but he came back later after the 85Rd step and was blown away(before LSP). His exact words "What the fuck did you do to it"

Like SpecC said with a black pad its amazing!!!

Detailers Domain · 02-05-2009, 06:43 PM

menzerna PO85RD for sure.

oilcrankinject · 02-05-2009, 09:00 PM

I ordered PO85RD today so we will see when it comes it. This weekend would of been great to do the trail 75+ but I wont get the stuff till next week.

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oilcrankinject Captain 79 Rep 996 Posts Drives: nothing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	What kind of polish should I use if I dont have swirl marks? I wash my car the right way so I dont have any swirl marks but I do have lots of water marks due to rain. I want to polish the car and seal/wax it soon so here I deciding on what to use. I will use DoDo wax hence my other thread but I am not sure if I should just go to a final polish or if I should start out with a medium polish.
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normtrum Colonel 52 Rep 2,225 Posts Drives: e90 335i, e46 330i Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: PNW iTrader: (1)	Always start with the least abrasive polish possible that will handle the job. Unfortunately you won't be able to determine what this is untlil you do a test spot. will you be using a machine? __________________ 07 335i sedan \| Steptronic \| Black saphire \| Terra \| ZPP \| ZSP \| Cold Weather \| CA \| PDC \| Nav \| OEM Alarm
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oilcrankinject Captain 79 Rep 996 Posts Drives: nothing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	I was already planning on getting Menzerna's Final Polish II and the Porter Cable starter kit comes with white and black pads so I should be good so far. I would like more input before I blow $400.
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Kgolf31 Brigadier General 461 Rep 4,531 Posts Drives: 2007 Z4MC, 2012 128i Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ohio iTrader: (4)	Menzerna PO85RD is what I perfer.....(That might be final polish II) I just dunno. I know the Menzerna Products by their product codes..... Have you ever looked at your paint in a high intensity halogen light? That would point out all of the swirls that you have
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BK Smiling politely 165 Rep 7,931 Posts Drives: 330i Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Washington DC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [9.00]	I think 106FF with a white pad is a good light polish. __________________ E90 330i Black Sapphire 6MT \| 991.1 C4 Platinum Silver 7MT
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lizak187 Lizak187 24 Rep 505 Posts Drives: 2004 bmw 325ci/2008m3 coup Join Date: May 2008 Location: Boston Massachusetts iTrader: (0)	How about p106ff with the mez green pad....that would give him a little bite to get up those water marks...some can be pretty stubborn??
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ScheerSpeed Major General 415 Rep 5,767 Posts Drives: '13 F30 Estoril M-Sport 335i Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Miami, FL iTrader: (14)	106FF is good, 85RD is better if you want a lot of gloss
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Xander I'm new 8 Rep 255 Posts Drives: 997 Turbo, F80 M3, CC & Yukon Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Buffalo, NY iTrader: (4)	Clean towels is really important too. It will swirl if there is still product left on the paint. Think of trying to clean 20 windows using the same towel for all 20. By the 20th you will be smearing the glass. So use clean towels X...
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dr.jay Lieutenant 14 Rep 465 Posts Drives: 2011 135 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Greenwood Always Up to No Good iTrader: (1)	85rd + white pad or CCS grey/black pad __________________ "Barzini is dead. So is Phillip Tattallgia. Moe Green. Slacci. Cuneo. Today I settled all family business so don't tell me that you're innocent. Admit what you did"
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BK Smiling politely 165 Rep 7,931 Posts Drives: 330i Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Washington DC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [9.00]	To those recommending 85RD -- do you guys actually see any difference in finish between PO106FF and PO85RD? I always thought there wasn't really a difference. I know 106FF has a touch more cut to it, but I thought they finished the same. I've been using 106FF for a light polish as well as a finishing polish after SIP. To my eyes, it finishes perfectly, but then again, I haven't used 85RD, just read about it. Don't make me go out and buy some for myself. Can you actually see any difference? Are you applying it with a black pad? __________________ E90 330i Black Sapphire 6MT \| 991.1 C4 Platinum Silver 7MT
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purplewidow Lieutenant Colonel 51 Rep 1,928 Posts Drives: e92 335 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Chicago iTrader: (2)	fminus does sip, then 106ff, then 85rd.. i just do po83 then 85rd..thinking about adding the 106ff step. also the pad of choice makes a big diff..i have gotten water marks out with 85 rd and an orange pad..some i had to use sip and an orange pad..so it all depends.. but like others said always start with the least agressive polish/pad combo..then use diff pads...if it doesn't work go to the next polish in line like 106ff,,if it still doesn't work even with an orange or green pad go to sip and so on.
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oilcrankinject Captain 79 Rep 996 Posts Drives: nothing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	I ordered PO85RD today so we will see when it comes it. This weekend would of been great to do the trail 75+ but I wont get the stuff till next week.
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