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      08-09-2007, 11:08 PM   #1
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Lightbulb 1 Series will be the benchmark, which automaker will be the next to follow?

So I'm sure the 1 series will be a hit. Even with the odd placed single cupholder in the front (maybe they have cupholders in the space in the middle of the backseat?).

My question is which automaker will be the next to follow that will also produce a high powered sedan at such a niche pricepoint (and export it to NA)?

I'd like to see a Lexus variant of the I series sedans with "F" treatment. Maybe in a nice coupe format.

It's going to be exciting for us consumers in the next 10 yrs to see the ripple affect the 1 will have on the auto industry. I'm sure Honda (Acura), Mercedes, Audi, Lexus etc....will be looking to produce a car with similar power and price point. Only time will tell, things can only get better! :drinking:
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      08-10-2007, 02:43 AM   #2
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Audi is already developing a 1 series competitor

oh ps. good to see another albertan on the forum
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      08-10-2007, 07:19 AM   #3
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I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch...I have yet to see the official pricing on NA cars and BMW is notorious for their options list.
Audi S3 has traditionally been a strong competitor in EU, albeit a pricey one.
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      08-10-2007, 09:33 AM   #4
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I hesitate to use the term "benchmark" at this early point, given that no one outside of the BMW organization has driven or compared the 1 series with other autos. True objectivity really isn't possible for human beings (we all view the world with some biases), but I would still prefer to hear from some folks outside of BMW who have compared the 1 before calling it a benchmark.
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      08-10-2007, 10:13 AM   #5
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I expect competitors from Audi first and then Mercedes. I personally believe it would be INCREDIBLY HARD for Infiniti, Lexus, or any other luxo japenese competitor to come up with something. Mainly because it would overlap there non luxo-offerings such as Nissan and Toyota.

**On a side note, I can easily see it being a benchmark. Its the only car in its class. And with the N54 and typical BMW characteristics then its a no brainer.
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      08-10-2007, 10:42 AM   #6
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The 1-Series will get cross shopped against lots of cars. There is performance and price overlap between it and the Evo/STi. People who don't need the backseat will cross shop it with the 350Z. Others will cross shop it with the Mustang/Camaro/Challenger. Still others with the A3 and R32.

There's nothing else like the 1-Series on the market, true, but it overlaps in certain ways with lots of other desirable cars. For me, it represents the best of all worlds. Others will no doubt come to different conclusions.
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      08-10-2007, 10:58 AM   #7
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I don't know if anyone would call this competition, but Acura is supposed to be bringing out the next generation TSX with a turbo-charged engine (270+ bhp) and AWD. I know this is all still speculation, but thought I'd stick to the subject of the thread and find an up-and-coming competitor to the 1-series :wink:
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      08-10-2007, 11:03 AM   #8
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It could be, but all depend on the sales. I don't think 1-er will outsell the 3-er for the 1st couple of years. So around 2010 we'll see the real impact on the market..
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      08-10-2007, 11:08 AM   #9
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I don't know if anyone would call this competition, but Acura is supposed to be bringing out the next generation TSX with a turbo-charged engine (270+ bhp) and AWD. I know this is all still speculation, but thought I'd stick to the subject of the thread and find an up-and-coming competitor to the 1-series :wink:
I am guessing its with the K23 turbo? the current TSX would be almost a foot longer than a 1 series. So unless there was a much shorter TSX coupe (with AWD), it would quite be exact. But in the scheme of things, its just as close a competitor to the 1er as some other cars mentioned.
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      08-14-2007, 01:30 PM   #10
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You want my honest thoughts? Chrysler.
MB will do something too, maybe like a C class coupe.
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      10-28-2007, 07:43 AM   #11
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It is tough to predict. It is in its own league. Interestingly, rumour has it that Toyota is planning to bring back AE86 to the market in the next few years... The picture I saw was not as attractive, but the formula is there. And it should be significantly cheaper than BMW.
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      10-28-2007, 07:55 AM   #12
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Regarding the 1er cabrio: Audi A3 cabrio is coming in the Spiring 2008. No words on A3 coupe though. Perhaps in the next generation A3 - especially if / when 1er coupe proves to be a hit.

Btw, some German magazines also reported a while ago next generation MB B-class would also come as classic coupe & cabrio, beside mini-van variant (original B-class variant) - not sure if in FWD or RWD layout. C-class SportCoupe would be ditched in that case. Also a B-class based SUV was reported (BLK?).


IMO Also Romeo will also come with some sort 149-based RWD coupe & cabrio.

Lexus, Infiniti, Acura? Who knows ...

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      10-28-2007, 08:16 AM   #13
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The Alfa Romeo Brera is already the 1er competitor in other markets, and one of the sexiest cars on the planet. It's coming to the US in 2010.




IMO, an A3 in coupe form does not have enough power to be a competitor, and Audi will be not wanting to add more power and sap S3 sales. It's certainly going to be interesting if the 1er sells as well as we think it will.
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      10-28-2007, 08:27 AM   #14
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Is this Alfa FF or FR? Nice looking car and it sure could compete with BMW.
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      10-28-2007, 08:48 AM   #15
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The Alfa Romeo Brera is already the 1er competitor in other markets, and one of the sexiest cars on the planet.
I used to agree with you until I saw it from the side. Holy craptastic overhangs, Batman!


The problem for the 135i is that it will be getting pressure from all over the place. Lots of cheaper hot hatches and coupes are available with 85% of the 1er's performance at 2/3 the cost. That will drive some buyers down market. Then there is competition from above the 1er (335i, upcoming S4, etc) that will pull some people up market. And don't forget about the STI and Evo that will pull some buyers away, as well.

I can't wait to order my 1er. I'm first on my dealer's deposit list. But I don't think we know, at this point, that the 1er will be a massive success. There are a lot of variables in play.
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      10-28-2007, 09:13 AM   #16
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The problem for the 135i is that it will be getting pressure from all over the place. Lots of cheaper hot hatches and coupes are available with 85% of the 1er's performance at 2/3 the cost.
That's a very useful way of looking at this - the value proposition. And I'm looking at the 1er from the perspective of delivering 85% of a Cayman's performance at 60% of it's price. It all depends on what performance standards you're willing to settle on.

BMW has publicly stated that they want to engage younger buyers raised on Japanese cars. How they do that (features & pricing) will determine how successful they'll be. I suspect that the 128i pricing will be more critical to sucess in the US than the 135i pricing will be though.

One thing we haven't heard yet is what the projected mix of 128i/135i sales will be in the US.
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      10-28-2007, 09:29 AM   #17
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That's a very useful way of looking at this - the value proposition. And I'm looking at the 1er from the perspective of delivering 85% of a Cayman's performance at 60% of it's price. It all depends on what performance standards you're willing to settle on.

BMW has publicly stated that they want to engage younger buyers raised on Japanese cars. How they do that (features & pricing) will determine how successful they'll be. I suspect that the 128i pricing will be more critical to sucess in the US than the 135i pricing will be though.

One thing we haven't heard yet is what the projected mix of 128i/135i sales will be in the US.

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      10-28-2007, 09:33 AM   #18
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The Alfa Romeo Brera is already the 1er competitor in other markets, and one of the sexiest cars on the planet. It's coming to the US in 2010.




IMO, an A3 in coupe form does not have enough power to be a competitor, and Audi will be not wanting to add more power and sap S3 sales. It's certainly going to be interesting if the 1er sells as well as we think it will.
Here is a review but with a bmw 130i:
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carg..._v_rivals.html
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      10-28-2007, 09:44 AM   #19
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And I'm looking at the 1er from the perspective of delivering 85% of a Cayman's performance at 60% of it's price. It all depends on what performance standards you're willing to settle on.
Exactly. For me and you and most other people on this site, the 135i represents (assuming a $35k base price) a tremendous performance value. So much so that I can't justify spending the extra money on a Cayman (although those amazing rear fenders still make me swoon).

...but if the 135i was a "reach" for me, I might be very happy with one of the current crop of hot hatches instead.
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      10-28-2007, 10:04 AM   #20
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Here is a review but with a bmw 130i:
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carg..._v_rivals.html
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Great, quick, down-n-dirty comparo. not much meat, but decent overview. I'm surprised that the 130i won handily. Even with that semi-unflattering side view (all cars have an unflattering photo angle), I wonder how many in the US would give additional purchasing points towards the Alfa returning to the States and the associated Pinnnfarina heritage/lineage.
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      10-28-2007, 10:21 AM   #21
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I used to agree with you until I saw it from the side. Holy craptastic overhangs, Batman!

Man I saw that thing and thought of this car immediately - had to remember the name, Bocar out of Denver (from a time before the earth had cooled ; -).

(FWIW, for continuity reasons, I mirrored the image on purpose.)
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      10-28-2007, 10:27 AM   #22
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man, that car is UGLY.
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