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      07-14-2007, 10:56 PM   #1
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Photo that gives good sense of size

There's a shot at M3post that gives a good sense of the coupe's size, as it's a close-up and there are several folk clustered around it: photo thread.
(I'd paste the photo but not sure about who has rights etc.)

It looks to be nice and snug - I checked the dimensions and it's 18 cm (7 inches) shorter than a Mazda 3 sedan. (I fear I'm getting a little obsessive here.... )




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      07-14-2007, 11:07 PM   #2
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I really like that color. This car is so damn small. Maybe it wont come in at 35k after all. Maybe 33k.
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The only thing I can compare it to is my wife's TSX. The 135 is approx 1 ft shorter overall but the interior dimensions are literally within mm's of each other.

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      07-15-2007, 03:34 AM   #4
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due to the amount of safety features built into cars today they have obviously grown in all directions ,and got heavier. I saw a merc 190 parked next to an audi TT (mk2) and the TT was larger than the 4 seater merc! The new VW polo is the same size as a Mk 1 golf. So a smaller bmw coupe might end up looking just right.
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Good Find. I love the size of the car. It seems small here because the lens brings everything up to the front and narrows the car a little.
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      07-15-2007, 07:29 AM   #6
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Hmmm, more pictures, I knew he'd post them sometime...

This shot here, was the only one I'd ever seen on the car that makes it look like it has massive fender flares in the rear, perhaps of sign of wide wheels possible??




And then you go back to this one, and you can hardly tell it's there...

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      07-15-2007, 07:38 AM   #7
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I'm dying for an official picture of a white one. Why you holding out BMW???
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      07-15-2007, 07:42 AM   #8
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It's bigger than a bread box, but not by much ; -)

This car is small - I stumbled on something last night that perked me up. I was reading about Daewoo of all things and ran across the dimensions of the Chevy Aveo. It's almost the same size as the 1er. The 1er will fit inside a shell of a Mazda3 (tight fit of course).

Then I remembered a ride in a V8 powered Ford Focus I got at SEMA a couple of years ago. That was a little over 300 HP and 300 lb ft of torque in a rear wheel drive Focus. (Ford Racing actually sold (or sells) a kit to do that.)

And then it hit me like a hammer - they had to make the wheelbase 104" in the 1er in order to keep us from wrapping ourselves around light poles!! I'm getting a lot more enthused about this car.
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I was lucky enough to see this car in the flesh at the spring model update in march in the UK. we wernt allowed any cameras or phones which was a shame. The car in the flesh looks no bigger than the 5door version of the 1. It has a lower roofline, naturally, but other than that it looks pretty similar.

I liked it a lot, but it looks a lot better in the flesh than it does in the pics.
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I liked it a lot, but it looks a lot better in the flesh than it does in the pics.

If that's the case then it'll be incredible!



A more accurate representation of human scale. This pic was taken with a state-of-the-art professional grade camera and you can see the car looks longer and lower than the other photos.

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      07-15-2007, 09:08 AM   #11
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This shot here, was the only one I'd ever seen on the car that makes it look like it has massive fender flares in the rear, perhaps of sign of wide wheels possible??
To me the 135 just doesn't seem wide and aggressive enough, I was hoping for more wheel flare and a wider track. If you look at the 335 from the front, then look at the 135, it just doesn't look menacing enough. The car needs to be lowered with bigger at least 18" (possibly 19").

I know what you're thinking, I'm not trying to do a "Fast and the furious" here, a side on photo will show there's just to much gap between metal and wheel.

What do you guys think? :iono:
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To me the 135 just doesn't seem wide and aggressive enough, I was hoping for more wheel flare and a wider track. If you look at the 335 from the front, then look at the 135, it just doesn't look menacing enough. The car needs to be lowered with bigger at least 18" (possibly 19").

I know what you're thinking, I'm not trying to do a "Fast and the furious" here, a side on photo will show there's just to much gap between metal and wheel.

What do you guys think? :iono:
If you look at these: 135i First, 335i M Sport Second...




You will see that the 135i is actually significantly wider than the 335i, even though the wheel base width is similiar. You'll also notice that the car is much, much shorter in height...

Place this car next to a 335i, and I expect it too appear low, and wide, giving the appearance you are looking for...
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You will see that the 135i is actually significantly wider than the 335i, even though the wheel base width is similiar. You'll also notice that the car is much, much shorter in height...

Place this car next to a 335i, and I expect it too appear low, and wide, giving the appearance you are looking for...
I'm afraid you are misreading the diagrams here. First, on the width - to compare apples to apples you need to use the 1748 cm figure for the 1 coupe, not the 1934, as the 335's width measurement does not include the side mirrors (they typically are not included in overall width measurements). Thus the 135 is narrower than the 335 by some 34 cm.

On the height, the 135 is lower than the 128 (1403 vs 1428) but both are taller than the 335 (1395 from the spec diagram , 1375 from the spec text (huh?-way to go BMW)). These numbers go a good way to explaining the 1 coupe's boxier appearance - taller, narrower, and some 200 mm shorter than the 335. I'm happy with the latter two but we really didn't need the greater height.
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      07-15-2007, 10:54 AM   #14
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It seems small here because the lens brings everything up to the front and narrows the car a little.
It's true there is a bit of foreshortening here due to the focal length used for the shot (38mm when converted to 35mm SLR equivalent, giving a slightly wide angle lens). But as the foreshortening affects the images of the gawkers proportionately the photo still gives a good sense of the scale of the car. The fact that you can't see the rear deck is more likely to distort some folk's judgement of the size. Width at the front end seems OK.
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      07-15-2007, 11:51 AM   #15
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I'm afraid you are misreading the diagrams here. First, on the width - to compare apples to apples you need to use the 1748 cm figure for the 1 coupe, not the 1934, as the 335's width measurement does not include the side mirrors (they typically are not included in overall width measurements). Thus the 135 is narrower than the 335 by some 34 cm.

On the height, the 135 is lower than the 128 (1403 vs 1428) but both are taller than the 335 (1395 from the spec diagram , 1375 from the spec text (huh?-way to go BMW)). These numbers go a good way to explaining the 1 coupe's boxier appearance - taller, narrower, and some 200 mm shorter than the 335. I'm happy with the latter two but we really didn't need the greater height.
I have to disagree here...

If you look at the diagram listed above... the 335i is clearly 1782 from MIRROR TO MIRROR, while the 135i is also clearly 1934 from MIRROR TO MIRROR. You can not compare the width of the rear fenders because the 335i's specs aren't listed. But, I think it's faily obvious, from mirror to mirror, the 135i is 152MM wider.

On the height, i am clearly blind, the 335i is obviously about 33mm shorter than the 135i. Luckily this is only 1.299 inches, meaning it will be mostly unseen...
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I have to disagree here...

If you look at the diagram listed above... the 335i is clearly 1782 from MIRROR TO MIRROR, while the 135i is also clearly 1934 from MIRROR TO MIRROR. Y..
On my monitor that diagram is so tiny it's hard to tell for the 335. I think there must be some error here, I very much doubt the 1 is wider than the 3, that just does not make any sense, nor does it jibe with the photos seen in the 335 vs 135 thread. More research needed. There may be errors in the BMW info other than the one I have already pointed out.
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Regarding width:

BMWUSA website shows that measured from the middle of a tire to the middle of the other one, a 335i coupe has a width of 1514mm. This is a comparable measurement to the one posted by Wiggum, so a 335i is 30mm wider than a 135i.
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      07-15-2007, 01:49 PM   #18
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Regarding width:

BMWUSA website shows that measured from the middle of a tire to the middle of the other one, a 335i coupe has a width of 1514mm. This is a comparable measurement to the one posted by Wiggum, so a 335i is 30mm wider than a 135i.
Middle of the tire on the 135i is listed as 1517mm....
Middle of the tire on the 335i is listed as 1513mm.... (close)

This is blatantly obvious that the 135i is slightly, VERY slighly wider...
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Middle of the tire on the 135i is listed as 1517mm....
Middle of the tire on the 335i is listed as 1513mm.... (close)

This is blatantly obvious that the 135i is slightly, VERY slighly wider...
I stand corrected. I read off the front track on the 135i. Wiggum, you are right, the 1 is slightly wider than the 3.

Widre is Bettre, eh?
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The 1er coupe is exactly 10 inches shorter than the E92, but only slightly smaller all other dimensions considered. At the same time you lose big on rear seat interior room, which doesn't matter much since I always have to put the driver seat all the way back in practically ever car I sit in bar a full size sedan(we're talking S-class size here, not even a Chrysler 300), so whatever the seating capacity is, automatically -1.
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The 1er coupe is exactly 10 inches shorter than the E92, but only slightly smaller all other dimensions considered. At the same time you lose big on rear seat interior room, which doesn't matter much since I always have to put the driver seat all the way back in practically ever car I sit in bar a full size sedan(we're talking S-class size here, not even a Chrysler 300), so whatever the seating capacity is, automatically -1.
To me, I think the main loss will be trunk space, though i could be wrong (should look up trunk capacity numbers, but I'm tired)...

The people whom have sat in the 1er coupe said the back seat wasn't too bad...
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Didn't someone have a picture of a one (1) next to a 2002?
Or am I dreaming again?
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