[PhantoMX74]

I'm looking to upgrade my stock intercooler and need some advice on Wagner Evo II competition FMIC.

2014 f30 335i xdrive daily driver, aggressive driving, no tracking.

Currently running MPPK with dinan sport, MPE, AA catted DP, stock turbo.

I'm considering adding a Wagner Evo II competition to complete FBO.

One concern is partially covering the radiator with stepped intercooler, would it be safe in not causing overheating?

Would my current setup be able to take advantage of this IC?

Possibly going MHD stage 1 in the near future.

Any advice is much appreciated.

[SuperLomi]

I would consider going with something cheaper, like the VRSF 6.5”. Especially for the street.

The Wagner fin and tube intercoolers have debatable performance, and logs have shown higher IAT’s vs bar and plate intercoolers like the VRSF/BMS etc.

As for your questions:
No you don’t need to worry about radiator airflow. This design is extremely common for this car with no reported issues I am aware of.

Any car will benefit from lower IAT’s. The stock IC isn’t great.

[n55david]

Vrsf race ic.. you won't ever overheat.. ever

Lose the Dinan and go bm3 or mhd

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by PhantoMX74

I'm looking to upgrade my stock intercooler and need some advice on Wagner Evo II competition FMIC.

2014 f30 335i xdrive daily driver, aggressive driving, no tracking.

Currently running MPPK with dinan sport, MPE, AA catted DP, stock turbo.

I'm considering adding a Wagner Evo II competition to complete FBO.

One concern is partially covering the radiator with stepped intercooler, would it be safe in not causing overheating?

Would my current setup be able to take advantage of this IC?

Possibly going MHD stage 1 in the near future.

Any advice is much appreciated.

No issues with the radiator being covered. An upgraded intercooler is advantageous to any setup. Wagner EVO II is one of the best.

Don't go with any large intercooler as you are being told. Your car is stock and you MIGHT get stage 1, the large intercooler is too big and will cause more harm than good.

Get a 5"-6" inch intercooler. Lots of good options including Wagner EVO II or the cheaper options like BMS, MAD, CSF

If you decide to get a stage 2 map, the bigger intercoolers are the better option

[n55david]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

No issues with the radiator being covered. An upgraded intercooler is advantageous to any setup. Wagner EVO II is one of the best.

Don't go with any large intercooler as you are being told. Your car is stock and you MIGHT get stage 1, the large intercooler is too big and will cause more harm than good.

Get a 5"-6" inch intercooler. Lots of good options including Wagner EVO II or the cheaper options like BMS, MAD, CSF

If you decide to get a stage 2 map, the bigger intercoolers are the better option

Nobody ever stays stage 1, there isn't any reason to... ever.

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by n55david

Nobody ever stays stage 1, there isn't any reason to... ever.

Yeah OP already has a DP anyways. Just get a race IC. You could get a competition size, but the race are usually like $40 more... so just get the race and never worry about it again.

[n55david]

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

Yeah OP already has a DP anyways. Just get a race IC. You could get a competition size, but the race are usually like $40 more... so just get the race and never worry about it again.

This

[PhantoMX74]

Thank you all, I appreciate everyone's input.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

Yeah OP already has a DP anyways. Just get a race IC. You could get a competition size, but the race are usually like $40 more... so just get the race and never worry about it again.

it has nothing to do with price, getting a race intercooler on a stock car does more harm than good.

[n55david]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

it has nothing to do with price, getting a race intercooler on a stock car does more harm than good.

Objection; hearsay

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by n55david

Onjection; hearsay

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

it has nothing to do with price, getting a race intercooler on a stock car does more harm than good.

Its not stock, he has already added boost (piggyback), says he going to do stage 1, and is inevitably going to do 2/2+ since he already has a DP and will have all supporting mods. It's just future proofing.

[PhantoMX74]

Stage 2 tune has crossed my mind but I don't want reliability issues. If I did decide to go stage 2 tune, would the Wagner EVO II competition be sufficient?

[n55david]

Originally Posted by PhantoMX74

Stage 2 tune has crossed my mind but I don't want reliability issues. If I did decide to go stage 2 tune, would the Wagner EVO II competition be sufficient?

You want a vrsf race man.. trust me.

[Pussiwillow]

Originally Posted by PhantoMX74

Stage 2 tune has crossed my mind but I don't want reliability issues. If I did decide to go stage 2 tune, would the Wagner EVO II competition be sufficient?

There isn't any more reliability issues between stage 1 or stage 2
It's more so how well you maintain and drive, get the race and don't think twice, just because Wagner is more expensive than say other brands; doesn't make it perform better
There's plenty of data and evidence to back up why the vrsf race is a go to.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

Its not stock, he has already added boost (piggyback), says he going to do stage 1, and is inevitably going to do 2/2+ since he already has a DP and will have all supporting mods. It's just future proofing.

he has MPPK not, not stage 1 and he said he "probably" will go with stage 1 MHD. So from his post, the max he would go to is stage 1, stage 2 is not mentioned anywhere in the first post.

If he sticks with MPPK or stage 1 as he says, a race intercooler regardless of the brand is not the best option in my opinion. He will benefit a lot more from a smaller intercooler with a high fin density.

Originally Posted by PhantoMX74

Stage 2 tune has crossed my mind but I don't want reliability issues. If I did decide to go stage 2 tune, would the Wagner EVO II competition be sufficient?

Wagner EVO II is sufficient but unless you track your car, you are better off getting a large high-density core. For street cars, the BMS/MAD intercooler is the better value in my opinion.

[n55david]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Wagner EVO II is sufficient but unless you track your car, you are better off getting a large high-density core. For street cars, the BMS/MAD intercooler is the better value in my opinion.

Mike your opinion is based on profit and sales numbers.

So.. objection hearsay

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by n55david

Mike, your opinion is based on profit and sales numbers.

So.. objection hearsay

My opinion is based on knowledge, data, and understanding of how intercoolers work (outside of most oversized box = best intercooler).

The Wagner EVO II is one of the least selling intercoolers for us. Wagner also lowered dealers' profit margin by 33% a while back.

I make more money selling any of the other 17 intercoolers we offer. It's also an easier sale since they are half the cost.

But I have a business reputation to keep, I have been on the forums for ten years, and I'm the top vendor because customers trust my opinion and know Im honest regardless of which parts get me an additional $20

[n55david]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

My opinion is based on knowledge, data, and understanding of how intercoolers work (outside of most oversized box = best intercooler).

The Wagner EVO II is one of the least selling intercoolers for us. Wagner also lowered dealers' profit margin by 33% a while back.

I make more money selling any of the other 17 intercoolers we offer. It's also an easier sale since they are half the cost.

But I have a business reputation to keep, I have been on the forums for ten years, and I'm the top vendor because customers trust my opinion and know Im honest regardless of which parts get me an additional $20

You're the most active for sure...

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by n55david

You're the most active for sure...

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

he has MPPK not, not stage 1 and he said he "probably" will go with stage 1 MHD. So from his post, the max he would go to is stage 1, stage 2 is not mentioned anywhere in the first post.

If he sticks with MPPK or stage 1 as he says, a race intercooler regardless of the brand is not the best option in my opinion. He will benefit a lot more from a smaller intercooler with a high fin density.




Wagner EVO II is sufficient but unless you track your car, you are better off getting a large high-density core. For street cars, the BMS/MAD intercooler is the better value in my opinion.

Check OP, it says MPPK plus dinan sport. So hes probably already at or above stage 1 levels depending (mppk peaks around 12psi, sport can add 3-4) on the setting he has on his dinan sport.

Anyways, sure he can probably get away with a smaller IC. But why? As someone who originally bought a 5'' HD IC and then later went to a race... just get a race, or save a little money and get a competition size, but again, why? I don't wanna hear anything about claims or turbo lag or the extra 5-10lbs for a race.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

Check OP, it says MPPK plus dinan sport. So hes probably already at or above stage 1 levels depending (mppk peaks around 12psi, sport can add 3-4) on the setting he has on his dinan sport.

Anyways, sure he can probably get away with a smaller IC. But why? As someone who originally bought a 5'' HD IC and then later went to a race... just get a race, or save a little money and get a competition size, but again, why? I don't wanna hear anything about claims or turbo lag or the extra 5-10lbs for a race.

I missed the Dinan part; with both together, either intercooler size would work, but I see your point in recommending the race intercooler to be safe if he pushes more boost in the future. I suggest he does the same.

But


1- the weight difference between a 5" tube and fin and a 7" bar and plate with a high-density core is not 5-10lbs; it's over 20lbs

2- Not the case with OP since he has Dinan and MPPK, but if the car is not pushing enough boost (stock or even stage 1), a bigger intercooler will cause turbo lag.

Turbo lag + heavier weight + being more expensive, without any performance increase over an efficient 5" with a high-density core as both will keep temps in check at this power level. That's why.

This is coming from someone who makes more money by selling the bigger, more expensive intercoolers